Recovering data from disk using ERD manager/ Diagnostic and Recove

My PC doesn't boot any more and before i want to install xp with the
recovery discs, i would like to get my data off...

with ERD manager I can copy files, which are not effected from C: to D:
I can't copy them to another external drive, since these drives are not
recognized.
I can't copy files to the Boot CD with ERD manager on it.

Are the tools: that allow me to boot and more importantly let me copy to a
external hard drive?

thanks a lot

alex
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Alexander Banz

"Alexander Banz" <AlexanderBanz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
> My PC doesn't boot any more and before i want to install xp with the
> recovery discs, i would like to get my data off...
>
> with ERD manager I can copy files, which are not effected from C: to D:
> I can't copy them to another external drive, since these drives are not
> recognized.
> I can't copy files to the Boot CD with ERD manager on it.
>
> Are the tools: that allow me to boot and more importantly let me copy to a
> external hard drive?
>
> thanks a lot
>
> alex
> --
> Alexander Banz
Bart PE.
Jim

Thanks Jim

I tried, but I need the XP installation disk, which I don't have because XP
was pre installed.


any suggestion?
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Alexander Banz


"Jim" wrote:

>
> "Alexander Banz" <AlexanderBanz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2D6CCB04-B16E-4DA7-83F5-BF20101346C9@microsoft.com...
> >
> > My PC doesn't boot any more and before i want to install xp with the
> > recovery discs, i would like to get my data off...
> >
> > with ERD manager I can copy files, which are not effected from C: to D:
> > I can't copy them to another external drive, since these drives are not
> > recognized.
> > I can't copy files to the Boot CD with ERD manager on it.
> >
> > Are the tools: that allow me to boot and more importantly let me copy to a
> > external hard drive?
> >
> > thanks a lot
> >
> > alex
> > --
> > Alexander Banz
> Bart PE.
> Jim
>
>
>

Alexander Banz wrote:

> Thanks Jim
>
> I tried, but I need the XP installation disk, which I don't have because
> XP was pre installed.
>
>
> any suggestion?

Knoppix, if you just want to retrieve data. See below for general
instructions.

You will need a computer with two cd drives, one of which is a cd/dvd-rw OR
a usb thumb drive with enough capacity to hold your data OR an external
usb/firewire hard drive formatted FAT32 (not NTFS). To get Knoppix, you
need a computer with a fast Internet connection and third-party burning
software. Download the Knoppix .iso and create your bootable cd. Then boot
with it and it will be able to see the Windows files. If you are using the
usb thumb drive or the external hard drive, right-click on its icon (on the
Desktop) to get its properties and uncheck the box that says "Read Only".
Then click on it to open it. Note that the default mouse action in the
window manager used by Knoppix (KDE) is a single click to open instead of
the traditional MS Windows' double-click. If you want to burn CD/DVDs, use
the K3b program.

http://www.knoppix.net

Malke
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Malke

thanks, i was actually doing that,... it works. Your description is spot on.

Howver, one of my external hard drives is NTFS......

i'm having a look now at puppylinux....

--
Alexander Banz


"Malke" wrote:

> Alexander Banz wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jim
> >
> > I tried, but I need the XP installation disk, which I don't have because
> > XP was pre installed.
> >
> >
> > any suggestion?
>
> Knoppix, if you just want to retrieve data. See below for general
> instructions.
>
> You will need a computer with two cd drives, one of which is a cd/dvd-rw OR
> a usb thumb drive with enough capacity to hold your data OR an external
> usb/firewire hard drive formatted FAT32 (not NTFS). To get Knoppix, you
> need a computer with a fast Internet connection and third-party burning
> software. Download the Knoppix .iso and create your bootable cd. Then boot
> with it and it will be able to see the Windows files. If you are using the
> usb thumb drive or the external hard drive, right-click on its icon (on the
> Desktop) to get its properties and uncheck the box that says "Read Only".
> Then click on it to open it. Note that the default mouse action in the
> window manager used by Knoppix (KDE) is a single click to open instead of
> the traditional MS Windows' double-click. If you want to burn CD/DVDs, use
> the K3b program.
>
> http://www.knoppix.net
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> Don't Panic!
>

Alexander Banz wrote:

> Malke
>
> thanks, i was actually doing that,... it works. Your description is spot
> on.
>
> Howver, one of my external hard drives is NTFS......
>
> i'm having a look now at puppylinux....
>

My understanding is that Knoppix has an NTFS driver included in it now, so
you can probably just use that. I'm very old skool about not writing to an
NTFS partition from Linux, but the kids tell me ("you damn kids, get off my
lawn!") that it works just fine. So you don't need to bother with Puppy
Linux. I'll have to read a bit about that and change my Knoppix boilerplate
I suppose.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
Don't Panic!

-"Malke" wrote:


> My understanding is that Knoppix has an NTFS driver included in it now, so
> you can probably just use that. I'm very old skool about not writing to an
> NTFS partition from Linux, but the kids tell me ("you damn kids, get off my
> lawn!") that it works just fine. So you don't need to bother with Puppy
> Linux. I'll have to read a bit about that and change my Knoppix boilerplate
> I suppose.
>

Yes.

He should be able to read an ntfs partition directly, but to write to it he
needs to use the ntfs-3g mounter. this is used much the same way as the mount
command, e.g.

ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1

Assumung /mnt/sda1 has already been created, of course. You then open
/mnt/dsa1 in Konqueror. It's sda1 for a SATA disk, hda1 for a traditional IDE
disk

Another option, easier for those unfamiliar with the arcane syntax of *nix,
is BartPE. This gives you a Windows-like interface booted from CD, and
handles NTFS natively. Also a smaller download as you just need the
PE-builder sofware, which is a few MB. The rest you get from a Windows CD.
(Or from a Windows\i386 folder on your HD, if you don't have one)
Disadvantage is it doesn't have cd-burning sofware as-is, though you can add
DeepBurner or (I think) Nero.

Anteaus wrote:

>
> Yes.
>
> He should be able to read an ntfs partition directly, but to write to it
> he needs to use the ntfs-3g mounter. this is used much the same way as the
> mount command, e.g.
>
> ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
>
> Assumung /mnt/sda1 has already been created, of course. You then open
> /mnt/dsa1 in Konqueror. It's sda1 for a SATA disk, hda1 for a traditional
> IDE disk
>
> Another option, easier for those unfamiliar with the arcane syntax of
> *nix, is BartPE. This gives you a Windows-like interface booted from CD,
> and handles NTFS natively. Also a smaller download as you just need the
> PE-builder sofware, which is a few MB. The rest you get from a Windows CD.
> (Or from a Windows\i386 folder on your HD, if you don't have one)
> Disadvantage is it doesn't have cd-burning sofware as-is, though you can
> add DeepBurner or (I think) Nero.

Thanks, Anteaus. I'll boot my XP testbed with Knoppix later today and play
around. Maybe because I come from the *nix world I think that Knoppix is
easier to get/create/use than Bart's PE. Yes, it's a bigger download but
you don't need anything else once you've got it. But whatever works; choice
is A Good Thing.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
Don't Panic!