About the clone thing

I saw a thread here asking whether you could clone a system to another
drive. From what I could see, there was no discussion of actual cloning.

On another OS I used I could do a true clone of the disk at any time onto
another disk and boot that disk at will.

Is the discussion of other methods based on a fact that there is no such
thing as a true clone utility available or does micro$oft put in special
killer programs designed to detect cloning and destroy any attempts to
move to a bigger drive?

JimL

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Churchhill.

You might wish to check out Acronis or Paragon -

Acronis for all your backup and data recovery needs - easy to use
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For advice you can contact them:
http://www.acronis.com.sg/company/co...GeneralRequest


Home and Office, Small Business & Medium and Large Business Utilities for hard disk
management etc
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Forum: http://support.paragon-software.com/


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<inkleputDEL@ETEisp.com> wrote in message news:4812528f$1$vaxyrchg$mr2ice@news.isp.com...
|I saw a thread here asking whether you could clone a system to another
| drive. From what I could see, there was no discussion of actual cloning.
|
| On another OS I used I could do a true clone of the disk at any time onto
| another disk and boot that disk at will.
|
| Is the discussion of other methods based on a fact that there is no such
| thing as a true clone utility available or does micro$oft put in special
| killer programs designed to detect cloning and destroy any attempts to
| move to a bigger drive?
|
| JimL
|
| --
|
| America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other possibilities,
Winston
| Churchhill.

Not true, no killer programs.
I've used Disk Imaging tools to move Windows to larger drives a number of
times without any problems.

Norton Ghost
http://www.symantec.com/norton/produ...r&pvid=ghost12

True Image (has a 15 day trial version also)
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing...cts/trueimage/

Also copying disk to disk with Norton Ghost
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...csm=no&seg=hho

JS

<inkleputDEL@ETEisp.com> wrote in message
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>I saw a thread here asking whether you could clone a system to another
> drive. From what I could see, there was no discussion of actual cloning.
>
> On another OS I used I could do a true clone of the disk at any time onto
> another disk and boot that disk at will.
>
> Is the discussion of other methods based on a fact that there is no such
> thing as a true clone utility available or does micro$oft put in special
> killer programs designed to detect cloning and destroy any attempts to
> move to a bigger drive?
>
> JimL
>
> --
>
> America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other
> possibilities, Winston
> Churchhill.

<inkleputDEL@ETEisp.com> wrote in message
news:4812528f$1$vaxyrchg$mr2ice@news.isp.com...
>I saw a thread here asking whether you could clone a system to another
> drive. From what I could see, there was no discussion of actual
> cloning.
>
> On another OS I used I could do a true clone of the disk at any time
> onto
> another disk and boot that disk at will.
>
> Is the discussion of other methods based on a fact that there is no
> such
> thing as a true clone utility available or does micro$oft put in
> special
> killer programs designed to detect cloning and destroy any attempts to
> move to a bigger drive?

Anna does a good job describing cloning in this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...776fcc963dc18e

You can certainly use a cloning program like Casper (which does cloning
exclusively) or Acronis True Image (which also does imagining) to clone
your hard drive, using XP.

Jim,

To add to what the others have said here, I have used Norton Ghost's
various versions for many years. Ghost will clone, image and do incremental
backups. Currently, people seem more satisfied with True Image than Ghost
though. (Ghost is clunky and takes a while to learn to use. But it has always
worked successfully for me.)

Please be aware that most hard drive manufacturers provide free
utilities to migrate your hard drive contents to a new drive too. I've used
Western Digital's utility a couple of times with no problem.

So, if you're just looking to migrate your old hard drive contents to a
new replacement drive, I'd say that the free utility provided by the drive
manufacturer works well enough. But if you're going to use it for regular
incremental backups, look at True Image, Ghost, etc.

Milt





"inkleputDEL@ETEisp.com" wrote:

> I saw a thread here asking whether you could clone a system to another
> drive. From what I could see, there was no discussion of actual cloning.
>
> On another OS I used I could do a true clone of the disk at any time onto
> another disk and boot that disk at will.
>
> Is the discussion of other methods based on a fact that there is no such
> thing as a true clone utility available or does micro$oft put in special
> killer programs designed to detect cloning and destroy any attempts to
> move to a bigger drive?
>
> JimL
>
> --
>
> America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other possibilities, Winston
> Churchhill.
>

"TaurArian" <taurarianREMOVECAPS@gmail.com> said:

>You might wish to check out Acronis or Paragon -

>Acronis for all your backup and data recovery needs - easy to use

I agree. I have Acronis. Acronis is a very powerful and simple system
for people who are highly (excessively) trained or highly oriented, very
well read, technologically apt and bordering on genius.

For normal people who eat tomatoes and squash they've raised in their
gardens (as opposed to eating integrated chips, circuit boards and
algorithms) and/or those who don't have photographic memories it is hell.

The fact that you cannot dump outdated files without completely deleting
the Acronis setup and starting over from scratch has its own rewards.


JimL

--

America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other possibilities, Winston
Churchhill.

Thanks

"JS" <@> said:

>Not true, no killer programs.
>I've used Disk Imaging tools to move Windows to larger drives a number of
> times without any problems.

>Norton Ghost
>http://www.symantec.com/norton/produ...r&pvid=ghost12

>True Image (has a 15 day trial version also)
>http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing...cts/trueimage/

>Also copying disk to disk with Norton Ghost
>http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...csm=no&seg=hho

>JS

><inkleputDEL@ETEisp.com> wrote in message
>news:4812528f$1$vaxyrchg$mr2ice@news.isp.com...
>>I saw a thread here asking whether you could clone a system to another
>> drive. From what I could see, there was no discussion of actual cloning.
>>
>> On another OS I used I could do a true clone of the disk at any time onto
>> another disk and boot that disk at will.
>>
>> Is the discussion of other methods based on a fact that there is no such
>> thing as a true clone utility available or does micro$oft put in special
>> killer programs designed to detect cloning and destroy any attempts to
>> move to a bigger drive?
>>
>> JimL
>>
>> --
>>
>> America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other
>> possibilities, Winston
>> Churchhill.




JimL

--

America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other possibilities, Winston
Churchhill.

"Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> said:

>Anna does a good job describing cloning in this thread:

>http://groups.google.com/group/micro...776fcc963dc18e

There's a very interesting sentence in this post, saying the clone is
"potentially" bootable.

That could mean you need a click or two or you need to slay monsters and
dragons or sacrifice virgins to get your bootable drive. Any specific
comments on this?

BTW, it has the statement that Casper 4 is more expensive. I paid over
$60 for Acronis, so the $49 for Casper 4 isn't so bad.

Thanks

JimL

--

America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other possibilities, Winston
Churchhill.

Thanks. I'm not quite sure what to make of this post. My goal is a
bootable copy of my current system drive. Period.

Milt <Milt@discussions.microsoft.com> said:

>Jim,

> To add to what the others have said here, I have used Norton Ghost's
>various versions for many years. Ghost will clone, image and do
>incremental backups. Currently, people seem more satisfied with True
>Image than Ghost though. (Ghost is clunky and takes a while to learn to
>use. But it has always worked successfully for me.)

If it's clunkier than Acronis it is clunky indeed.

> Please be aware that most hard drive manufacturers provide free
>utilities to migrate your hard drive contents to a new drive too. I've
>used Western Digital's utility a couple of times with no problem.

> So, if you're just looking to migrate your old hard drive contents
>to a new replacement drive, I'd say that the free utility provided by
>the drive manufacturer works well enough. But if you're going to use it
>for regular incremental backups, look at True Image, Ghost, etc.

>Milt

Is all this about content backup or an immediately bootable hard drive?

BTW, the system I used to have could boot from any partition at will,
assuming it had a system installed. Possible in XP?


>"inkleputDEL@ETEisp.com" wrote:

>> I saw a thread here asking whether you could clone a system to another
>> drive. From what I could see, there was no discussion of actual cloning.
>>
>> On another OS I used I could do a true clone of the disk at any time onto
>> another disk and boot that disk at will.
>>
>> Is the discussion of other methods based on a fact that there is no such
>> thing as a true clone utility available or does micro$oft put in special
>> killer programs designed to detect cloning and destroy any attempts to
>> move to a bigger drive?
>>
>> JimL
>>
>> --
>>
>> America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other possibilities, Winston
>> Churchhill.
>>


JimL

--

America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other possibilities, Winston
Churchhill.

You're Welcome.

JS

<inkleputDEL@ETEisp.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks
>
> "JS" <@> said:
>
>>Not true, no killer programs.
>>I've used Disk Imaging tools to move Windows to larger drives a number of
>> times without any problems.
>
>>Norton Ghost
>>http://www.symantec.com/norton/produ...r&pvid=ghost12
>
>>True Image (has a 15 day trial version also)
>>http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing...cts/trueimage/
>
>>Also copying disk to disk with Norton Ghost
>>http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...csm=no&seg=hho
>
>>JS
>
>><inkleputDEL@ETEisp.com> wrote in message
>>news:4812528f$1$vaxyrchg$mr2ice@news.isp.com.. .
>>>I saw a thread here asking whether you could clone a system to another
>>> drive. From what I could see, there was no discussion of actual
>>> cloning.
>>>
>>> On another OS I used I could do a true clone of the disk at any time
>>> onto
>>> another disk and boot that disk at will.
>>>
>>> Is the discussion of other methods based on a fact that there is no such
>>> thing as a true clone utility available or does micro$oft put in special
>>> killer programs designed to detect cloning and destroy any attempts to
>>> move to a bigger drive?
>>>
>>> JimL
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other
>>> possibilities, Winston
>>> Churchhill.
>
>
>
>
> JimL
>
> --
>
> America always does the right thing, but only after exhausting all other
> possibilities, Winston
> Churchhill.