Any way to start ISO or IMG Live-OS Images with Bootloader?

Hi,

well, i dont want to burn every ISO or IMG Image from
an OS (Linux or another Operating Systems that can start
from a Live System) on a single CD or DVD. Since i've never
done this before and i didnt found usefull information at all
doing a extensive google search (Maybe i did it with wrong
searching words) i would ask this here with multiposting, maybe
someone has a good solution for this.

Is there a bootloader that can start from a Live CD or OS
Image written on a ISO or IMG file, for example a Live
Linux System by keeping the Windows NTLDR untouched,
maybe a chainloader? I would like to list all the Live images
i want to be able to select for booting on a file. Best would be
a boot/chainloader that can read NTFS Partitions so i can leave
the already existing Disk untouched. Can this be done with NTLDR
and boot.ini? I dont think so, maybe?. There is a way to start Linux from
Boot.ini if you have a Image from the Linux partitions MBR, but
i would like to start from a NTFS with a chainloader. It should
work for Windows 2000/XP and also for the Vista Systems.

Short one: How to start a ISO/IMG OS Image from a Bootloader/Chainloader?
Should work an all NT based Systems 2000/XP/Vista

Any ideas or recommendations?

Thanks in advance,...

Regards

Kerem

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Sorry, I have no idea regarding such kind of product. Since this question
appeared at development NG, I would suggest you to dig into implementation
of own boot loader Useful links to start:
http://www.nondot.org/sabre/os/files...g/bootsec1.zip

Good luck.

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"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> well, i dont want to burn every ISO or IMG Image from
> an OS (Linux or another Operating Systems that can start
> from a Live System) on a single CD or DVD. Since i've never
> done this before and i didnt found usefull information at all
> doing a extensive google search (Maybe i did it with wrong
> searching words) i would ask this here with multiposting, maybe
> someone has a good solution for this.
>
> Is there a bootloader that can start from a Live CD or OS
> Image written on a ISO or IMG file, for example a Live
> Linux System by keeping the Windows NTLDR untouched,
> maybe a chainloader? I would like to list all the Live images
> i want to be able to select for booting on a file. Best would be
> a boot/chainloader that can read NTFS Partitions so i can leave
> the already existing Disk untouched. Can this be done with NTLDR
> and boot.ini? I dont think so, maybe?. There is a way to start Linux from
> Boot.ini if you have a Image from the Linux partitions MBR, but
> i would like to start from a NTFS with a chainloader. It should
> work for Windows 2000/XP and also for the Vista Systems.
>
> Short one: How to start a ISO/IMG OS Image from a Bootloader/Chainloader?
> Should work an all NT based Systems 2000/XP/Vista
>
> Any ideas or recommendations?
>
> Thanks in advance,...
>
> Regards
>
> Kerem
>
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>
>
>

Hi Volodymyr,

thank you for the link. I know how to write a boot loader. :-)
A little assembly, assemble, copy to first sector and thats it,...but
i think my question is a kind of impossible to answer. I was looking
for a Bootloader solution, but i think i have to stay on a linux solution
or still, yet using, Virtual PC Solution,...

The main reason why i wrote here and to all developer, driver developer
NGs was, because of the fact that you can find here a lot of people
doing own OS and Boot loaders. Maybe someone did something
like that before or know another bootloader that can handle this,..

Thanks anyway,...



Regards

Kerem

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Actually, people who are making own operating systems are concentrated
mostly here: http://www.osdev.org/

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"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Volodymyr,
>
> thank you for the link. I know how to write a boot loader. :-)
> A little assembly, assemble, copy to first sector and thats it,...but
> i think my question is a kind of impossible to answer. I was looking
> for a Bootloader solution, but i think i have to stay on a linux solution
> or still, yet using, Virtual PC Solution,...
>
> The main reason why i wrote here and to all developer, driver developer
> NGs was, because of the fact that you can find here a lot of people
> doing own OS and Boot loaders. Maybe someone did something
> like that before or know another bootloader that can handle this,..
>
> Thanks anyway,...
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Kerem
>
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Yes Buddy,

i totaly forgot this site! Thanks dude!

Regards

Kerem

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In message <uFqQ4PBVIHA.4768@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, Kerem Gümrükcü
<kareem114@hotmail.com> writes
>Hi,
>
>well, i dont want to burn every ISO or IMG Image from
>an OS (Linux or another Operating Systems that can start
>from a Live System) on a single CD or DVD. Since i've never
>done this before and i didnt found usefull information at all
>doing a extensive google search (Maybe i did it with wrong
>searching words) i would ask this here with multiposting, maybe
>someone has a good solution for this.
>
>Is there a bootloader that can start from a Live CD or OS
>Image written on a ISO or IMG file, for example a Live
>Linux System by keeping the Windows NTLDR untouched,
>maybe a chainloader? I would like to list all the Live images
>i want to be able to select for booting on a file. Best would be
>a boot/chainloader that can read NTFS Partitions so i can leave
>the already existing Disk untouched. Can this be done with NTLDR
>and boot.ini? I dont think so, maybe?. There is a way to start Linux from
>Boot.ini if you have a Image from the Linux partitions MBR, but
>i would like to start from a NTFS with a chainloader. It should
>work for Windows 2000/XP and also for the Vista Systems.
>
>Short one: How to start a ISO/IMG OS Image from a Bootloader/Chainloader?
>Should work an all NT based Systems 2000/XP/Vista
>
>Any ideas or recommendations?

As other have said, these aren't really the groups for an answer to your
question.

This is because what you ask cannot be done in a Microsoft kernel.

What you need is not just a boot loader, you need something to at least
virtualise access to the boot CD, because you do not have a physical CD
but only an image file in a host operating system filing system. So it
is not just a boot loader that you need.

You need to boot your Live CD in a virtualisation program, such as
Microsoft Virtual PC or VMware Player (both free to use, by the way).
Alternatively, there is Hyper-V in the Beta of Windows Server 2008, but
I doubt if you want to go that far.

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Dave English Senior Software & Systems Engineer
Internet Platform Development, Thus plc

Hi Dave,

yes this is true. I was working with MSVPC,QEMU,Bochs, etc with
the Live images until i wanted to try them "on-the-fly" with as much as
possible "real" hardware since real hardware is always different than
this emulation stuff and you have the possibility of chaning hardware
components. At first it was obvious that a bootloader is not sufficient
but while knowing this i asked this question and also while knowing
that if i would start to write code, it virtually would end in a own virtual
machine and i dont have the time for this, so i have to stay at my old
virtualizations solutions,...

The MS Kernel is not able to do this, but the Linux can! So i am
about to create a own partition with a small linux and minimum
drivers to do this. I think this is a good solution. And is it no
problem anymore to read/write in both directions on the HDD
(Linux<->Windows) since both systems have drivers for the
common file systems they use, and here again in both directions!

Thank you for the Answer,...

Regards

Kerem


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Actually, I will dispute the claim that Windows cannot do this. The NTLDR
would work if a rather weird SCSI mini-port driver was created that could
access the image. I suspect there are a ton of challenges here, but the
blanket statement that Windows could not do this is wrong.


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"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Dave,
>
> yes this is true. I was working with MSVPC,QEMU,Bochs, etc with
> the Live images until i wanted to try them "on-the-fly" with as much as
> possible "real" hardware since real hardware is always different than
> this emulation stuff and you have the possibility of chaning hardware
> components. At first it was obvious that a bootloader is not sufficient
> but while knowing this i asked this question and also while knowing
> that if i would start to write code, it virtually would end in a own
> virtual
> machine and i dont have the time for this, so i have to stay at my old
> virtualizations solutions,...
>
> The MS Kernel is not able to do this, but the Linux can! So i am
> about to create a own partition with a small linux and minimum
> drivers to do this. I think this is a good solution. And is it no
> problem anymore to read/write in both directions on the HDD
> (Linux<->Windows) since both systems have drivers for the
> common file systems they use, and here again in both directions!
>
> Thank you for the Answer,...
>
> Regards
>
> Kerem
>
>
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>

Hi Don,

>I suspect there are a ton of challenges here, but the blanket statement
>that Windows could not do this is wrong.

Sure, you are right if you have a driver that can mount
the image this will be possible but i dont have the time
to write it and it is ok still to use the emulators until someone
will do this and publish this,...

The blanket statement was meant for the moment. As long
as you run in kernel mode or even below it in our case
you are free to play with the hardware and implement your
own layer that can handle this, e.g. NTBOOTDD.SYS and
your code that handles this,..

Regards

Kerem

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After I sent the last one, I realized also no one has mentioned WinPE which
Microsoft has finally made easier to get. There is still a learning curve,
but it could probably handle this.


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> Hi Don,
>
>>I suspect there are a ton of challenges here, but the blanket statement
>>that Windows could not do this is wrong.
>
> Sure, you are right if you have a driver that can mount
> the image this will be possible but i dont have the time
> to write it and it is ok still to use the emulators until someone
> will do this and publish this,...
>
> The blanket statement was meant for the moment. As long
> as you run in kernel mode or even below it in our case
> you are free to play with the hardware and implement your
> own layer that can handle this, e.g. NTBOOTDD.SYS and
> your code that handles this,..
>
> Regards
>
> Kerem
>
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