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Old 09-13-2009, 09:27 PM
meowkatt2002
 
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Defrag won't defrag Norton files that are there
I only had 3% open space so I deleted tons of photos & videos. I brought it
up to 13%. Not sure why I have so little because I don't have much on there.
So, I defragged. Still at 13 after. Over 10,000 Norton files were unable to
be defragged according to report. How can I get all those fragments off so I
can have some more space? I always had over 25% space, even with all those
phot & videos on until I moved a few mo ago & had to get satellitle. Could
that have anything to do with it? I am trying to find something I can do
myself because I don't have extra money to bring it in somewhere. Thanks.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:39 PM
JS
 
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Re: Defrag won't defrag Norton files that are there

"meowkatt2002" <meowkatt2002@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:013D3A49-ADD8-4CC3-9AE8-42D6C0EDE220@microsoft.com...
>I only had 3% open space so I deleted tons of photos & videos. I brought it
> up to 13%. Not sure why I have so little because I don't have much on
> there.
> So, I defragged. Still at 13 after. Over 10,000 Norton files were unable
> to
> be defragged according to report. How can I get all those fragments off so
> I
> can have some more space? I always had over 25% space, even with all those
> phot & videos on until I moved a few mo ago & had to get satellitle. Could
> that have anything to do with it? I am trying to find something I can do
> myself because I don't have extra money to bring it in somewhere. Thanks.


JDiskReport:
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/
Shows space usage by folder and also list 50 largest files.

Then use Windows 'Disk Cleanup' to create more space on your C: drive.
Description of the Disk Cleanup Tool in Windows XP:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

Also take a look at CCleaner as a tool to remove Internet history info,
cookies, temp files, auto complete and other junk.
Note that when CCleaner is first installed most if not all the options
are checked which is far too aggressive. So I recommend unchecking
all the items listed in 'Applications' tab and in the 'Windows' tab
selectively place a check mark for only those options that are of some
value in increasing the amount of free space on your PC.
The 'Analyze' button allows you preview (without actually deleting)
what and how much hard drive space you will get back.
Also available is customization, see Options/Custom to add any
other/additional folders you want files deleted from.
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Next: Empty the Recycle Bin.

If you recently installed Windows XP Service Pack 3:
Look for an odd folder name which is located here
C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\cf8ec753e 88561d..........\
Note: the apparent random set of letter and number may vary from my
example above but whatever the name is, it will be more than
600MB in size and can be safely deleted.
You may also see a number of other folders or files located in the:
C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\ directory
They also can be deleted.

Also:
Low Disk Space
How to free up hard drive space on your Laptop or PC
http://www.pagestart.com/lowdiskspace01.html


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JS
http://www.pagestart.com


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Old 09-13-2009, 09:52 PM
Shenan Stanley
 
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Re: Defrag won't defrag Norton files that are there
meowkatt2002 wrote:
> I only had 3% open space so I deleted tons of photos & videos. I
> brought it up to 13%. Not sure why I have so little because I don't
> have much on there. So, I defragged. Still at 13 after. Over 10,000
> Norton files were unable to be defragged according to report. How
> can I get all those fragments off so I can have some more space? I
> always had over 25% space, even with all those phot & videos on
> until I moved a few mo ago & had to get satellitle. Could that have
> anything to do with it? I am trying to find something I can do
> myself because I don't have extra money to bring it in somewhere.
> Thanks.


You obviously do have that much on there or you wouldn't only have 13% free.
;-) How big is your total hard disk drive/C partition space?

What operating system is it? I'd bet WIndows XP given your terminology
usage and location choice in posting, but Home Edition, Professional,
Media Center, Professional x64 or other - and which service pack...?

Operating system and service pack level is a nice start - if you wish to be
very accurate - there are two things you should provide:

Start button --> RUN
(no "RUN"? Press the "Windows Key" + R on your keyboard)
--> type in:
winver
--> Click OK.

The picture at the top of the window that opens will give you the general
(Operating System name and flavor) while the line starting with the word
"version" will give you the rest of the story.

Post _both_ in response to this message verbatim. ;-)

Assuming Windows XP of some flavor with some service pack installed...

See what is taking up the space and how the drive is partitioned.

Start button --> RUN (no RUN, press the "Windows Key" + R) --> type in:
compmgmt.msc
--> Click OK.

Answer things in the affirmative until the window opens. In the computer
management window, left side, locate and expand "Storage" and select (click
on) "Disk Management". That should bring up a list on the right of your
disks.

Find your drive(s) in that list and scroll left/right to see the
other columns and give the "Total" and "Free" space here.

Looking at the picture on the right side, bottom part of the Disks - how
is each one partitioned (divided up into sections)?

Now that you know how things are partitioned and how much space you should
have (in total) - let's cleanup.

Download/install this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301

After installing, do the following:

Start button --> RUN --> type in:
"%ProgramFiles%\Windows Installer Clean Up\msizap.exe" g!
--> Click OK.

(The quotation marks and percentage signs and spacing should be exact.)

If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the
uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed...
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm
( Particularly of interest here - #4 )
( Alternative: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm )

You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your
latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files"..

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you don't use it..

When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's
memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys
file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you
don't use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows
uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps:

- Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings,
Control Panel, and click Power Options).
- Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then
click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the
"System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab doesn't delete the
hiberfil.sys file.
- Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes
tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file.

You can control how much space your System Restore can use...

1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
2. Click the System Restore tab.
3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on
the "Settings" button.
4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving
the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...)
5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again.

You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize...

Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 64MB and 128MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.

You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
temporary files and use that to get rid of those:

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Other ways to free up space..

JDiskReport
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html

SequoiaView
http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/

Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.

In the end - a standard Windows XP installation with all sorts of extras
will not likely be above about 4.5GB to 9GB in size. If you have more space
than that (likely do on a modern machine) and most of it seems to be used -
likely you need to move *your stuff* off and/or find a better way to manage
it.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


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Old 09-13-2009, 10:02 PM
Pegasus [MVP]
 
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Re: Defrag won't defrag Norton files that are there

"meowkatt2002" <meowkatt2002@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:013D3A49-ADD8-4CC3-9AE8-42D6C0EDE220@microsoft.com...
>I only had 3% open space so I deleted tons of photos & videos. I brought it
> up to 13%. Not sure why I have so little because I don't have much on
> there.
> So, I defragged. Still at 13 after. Over 10,000 Norton files were unable
> to
> be defragged according to report. How can I get all those fragments off so
> I
> can have some more space? I always had over 25% space, even with all those
> phot & videos on until I moved a few mo ago & had to get satellitle. Could
> that have anything to do with it? I am trying to find something I can do
> myself because I don't have extra money to bring it in somewhere. Thanks.


Further to what other respondents said:
- Defragging will NOT gain any disk space for you. It merely re-arranges the
various fragments into contiguous files.
- I have a vague recollection from some other thread that Norton GoBack can
consume huge amounts of disk space. Check the Norton FAQs to see how to
reduce the amount of disk space consumed by this tool. Or maybe get rid of
Norton altogether . . .


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Old 09-13-2009, 10:07 PM
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 
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Re: Defrag won't defrag Norton files that are there
What Norton application(s) is(are) installed?

meowkatt2002 wrote:
> I only had 3% open space so I deleted tons of photos & videos. I brought
> it
> up to 13%. Not sure why I have so little because I don't have much on
> there.
> So, I defragged. Still at 13 after. Over 10,000 Norton files were unable
> to
> be defragged according to report. How can I get all those fragments off so
> I
> can have some more space? I always had over 25% space, even with all those
> phot & videos on until I moved a few mo ago & had to get satellitle. Could
> that have anything to do with it? I am trying to find something I can do
> myself because I don't have extra money to bring it in somewhere. Thanks.


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Old 09-14-2009, 04:27 PM
Bill Sharpe
 
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Re: Defrag won't defrag Norton files that are there
meowkatt2002 wrote:
> I only had 3% open space so I deleted tons of photos & videos. I brought it
> up to 13%. Not sure why I have so little because I don't have much on there.
> So, I defragged. Still at 13 after. Over 10,000 Norton files were unable to
> be defragged according to report. How can I get all those fragments off so I
> can have some more space? I always had over 25% space, even with all those
> phot & videos on until I moved a few mo ago & had to get satellitle. Could
> that have anything to do with it? I am trying to find something I can do
> myself because I don't have extra money to bring it in somewhere. Thanks.


10,000 Norton files? What Norton programs are you running? I gave up on
Norton stuff a couple years ago, although it appears their programs have
improved recently.

Bill
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