XP install and SP2

Hi Pa Bear,

I'm not doubting you when you say "NB: Also applies to clean installs,
upgrade installs, and Recovery installs."

But I'm wondering why there would be ANY leftover files to cause conflicts
from a prior installation, if a user does a clean install and is basically
starting an XP installation on a newly-formatted hard drive.

Alan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uEDmbHQjIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> And as soon as you have SP2 installed, see this KB article which should
> help make Automatic Update functional:
>
> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
> installation:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>
> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
> installs.
>
> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>
> Related:
>
> Before You Connect a New Computer to the Internet
> http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html
>
> Security FAQ & Checklist
> http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8463
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> SP2 includes everything you need. You do not need SP1 first or any of
>> the
>> updates release prior to SP2.
>>
>> "bcags7" <bcags7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:76EC9AF3-73C7-4157-A7DE-D1AD481DB073@microsoft.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> This may be a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find a clear
>>> answer.
>>> I'm building a new PC and I've installed Win XP (original, no service
>>> packs). I'm trying to follow along in the motherboard manual - it says
>>> to
>>> install all Windows updates and service packs before installing chipset
>>> drivers, etc...For some reason, and I think this is a common problem
>>> with
>>> my
>>> particular motherboard, my onboard ethernet ports are not working, so I
>>> cannot install any updates. I have, however, downloaded SP2 and
>>> installed
>>> it
>>> just to see what happens. After hours of screwing around with drivers
>>> and
>>> installing a PCI NIC card (which didn't work), the ethernet ports
>>> magically
>>> began working. Anyway, I guess my question is, does SP2 include all
>>> prior
>>> updates that get downloaded with Automatic Updates? I know it includes
>>> everything from SP1...Just wondering if I somehow need to get my
>>> ethernet
>>> ports working before installing SP2 in order to install updates first
>>> (if
>>> they're not included in SP2).
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>

"Because the registry files that correspond to the Wups2.dll file are
missing, update installations are unsuccessful." (Source: KB943144)

Alan wrote:
> Hi Pa Bear,
>
> I'm not doubting you when you say "NB: Also applies to clean installs,
> upgrade installs, and Recovery installs."
>
> But I'm wondering why there would be ANY leftover files to cause conflicts
> from a prior installation, if a user does a clean install and is basically
> starting an XP installation on a newly-formatted hard drive.
>
> Alan
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uEDmbHQjIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> And as soon as you have SP2 installed, see this KB article which should
>> help make Automatic Update functional:
>>
>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
>> Microsoft
>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
>> installation:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>
>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
>> installs.
>>
>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>>
>> Related:
>>
>> Before You Connect a New Computer to the Internet
>> http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html
>>
>> Security FAQ & Checklist
>> http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8463
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>> SP2 includes everything you need. You do not need SP1 first or any of
>>> the
>>> updates release prior to SP2.
>>>
>>> "bcags7" <bcags7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:76EC9AF3-73C7-4157-A7DE-D1AD481DB073@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> This may be a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find a clear
>>>> answer.
>>>> I'm building a new PC and I've installed Win XP (original, no service
>>>> packs). I'm trying to follow along in the motherboard manual - it says
>>>> to
>>>> install all Windows updates and service packs before installing chipset
>>>> drivers, etc...For some reason, and I think this is a common problem
>>>> with
>>>> my
>>>> particular motherboard, my onboard ethernet ports are not working, so I
>>>> cannot install any updates. I have, however, downloaded SP2 and
>>>> installed
>>>> it
>>>> just to see what happens. After hours of screwing around with drivers
>>>> and
>>>> installing a PCI NIC card (which didn't work), the ethernet ports
>>>> magically
>>>> began working. Anyway, I guess my question is, does SP2 include all
>>>> prior
>>>> updates that get downloaded with Automatic Updates? I know it includes
>>>> everything from SP1...Just wondering if I somehow need to get my
>>>> ethernet
>>>> ports working before installing SP2 in order to install updates first
>>>> (if
>>>> they're not included in SP2).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!!

PA Bear,

Does this mean that if I ever want to do a clean install on one of my older
XP machines that shipped with the XP Gold CD -- and I didn't slipstream SP2
into it -- that I'll have to first install just XP Gold and then have to use
either of the two methods described in KB943144, before I'm able to install
SP2?

Or am I not correctly understanding?

Alan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e0QzMJWjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Because the registry files that correspond to the Wups2.dll file are
> missing, update installations are unsuccessful." (Source: KB943144)
>
> Alan wrote:
>> Hi Pa Bear,
>>
>> I'm not doubting you when you say "NB: Also applies to clean installs,
>> upgrade installs, and Recovery installs."
>>
>> But I'm wondering why there would be ANY leftover files to cause
>> conflicts
>> from a prior installation, if a user does a clean install and is
>> basically
>> starting an XP installation on a newly-formatted hard drive.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uEDmbHQjIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> And as soon as you have SP2 installed, see this KB article which should
>>> help make Automatic Update functional:
>>>
>>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
>>> Microsoft
>>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
>>> installation:
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>>
>>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
>>> installs.
>>>
>>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>>>
>>> Related:
>>>
>>> Before You Connect a New Computer to the Internet
>>> http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html
>>>
>>> Security FAQ & Checklist
>>> http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8463
>>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>
>>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>>> SP2 includes everything you need. You do not need SP1 first or any of
>>>> the
>>>> updates release prior to SP2.
>>>>
>>>> "bcags7" <bcags7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:76EC9AF3-73C7-4157-A7DE-D1AD481DB073@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> This may be a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find a clear
>>>>> answer.
>>>>> I'm building a new PC and I've installed Win XP (original, no service
>>>>> packs). I'm trying to follow along in the motherboard manual - it
>>>>> says
>>>>> to
>>>>> install all Windows updates and service packs before installing
>>>>> chipset
>>>>> drivers, etc...For some reason, and I think this is a common problem
>>>>> with
>>>>> my
>>>>> particular motherboard, my onboard ethernet ports are not working, so
>>>>> I
>>>>> cannot install any updates. I have, however, downloaded SP2 and
>>>>> installed
>>>>> it
>>>>> just to see what happens. After hours of screwing around with drivers
>>>>> and
>>>>> installing a PCI NIC card (which didn't work), the ethernet ports
>>>>> magically
>>>>> began working. Anyway, I guess my question is, does SP2 include all
>>>>> prior
>>>>> updates that get downloaded with Automatic Updates? I know it includes
>>>>> everything from SP1...Just wondering if I somehow need to get my
>>>>> ethernet
>>>>> ports working before installing SP2 in order to install updates first
>>>>> (if
>>>>> they're not included in SP2).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!!
>

On Mar 24, 9:10*am, "Alan" <somewh...@nospam.not> wrote:
> PA Bear,
>
> Does this mean that if I ever want to do a clean install on one of my older
> XP machines that shipped with the XP Gold CD -- and I didn't slipstream SP2
> into it -- that I'll have to first install just XP Gold and then have to use
> either of the two methods described in KB943144, before I'm able to install
> SP2?
>
> Or am I not correctly understanding?
>
> * * * * Alan
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:e0QzMJWjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl. ..
>
>
>
> > "Because the registry files that correspond to the Wups2.dll file are
> > missing, update installations are unsuccessful." *(Source: KB943144)
>
> > Alan wrote:
> >> Hi Pa Bear,
>
> >> I'm not doubting you when you say "NB: Also applies to clean installs,
> >> upgrade installs, and Recovery installs."
>
> >> But I'm wondering why there would be ANY leftover files to cause
> >> conflicts
> >> from a prior installation, if a user does a clean install and is
> >> basically
> >> starting an XP installation on a newly-formatted hard drive.
>
> >> * * * *Alan
>
> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:uEDmbHQjIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>> And as soon as you have SP2 installed, see this KB article which should
> >>> help make Automatic Update functional:
>
> >>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
> >>> Microsoft
> >>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
> >>> installation:
> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>
> >>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
> >>> installs.
>
> >>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>
> >>> Related:
>
> >>> Before You Connect a New Computer to the Internet
> >>>http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html
>
> >>> Security FAQ & Checklist
> >>>http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8463
> >>> --
> >>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >>> AumHa VSOP & Adminhttp://aumha.net
> >>> DTS-Lhttp://dts-l.net/
>
> >>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> >>>> SP2 includes everything you need. *You do not need SP1 first or anyof
> >>>> the
> >>>> updates release prior to SP2.
>
> >>>> "bcags7" <bca...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:76EC9AF3-73C7-4157-A7DE-D1AD481DB073@microsoft.com...
> >>>>> Hello,
>
> >>>>> This may be a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find a clear
> >>>>> answer.
> >>>>> I'm building a new PC and I've installed Win XP (original, no service
> >>>>> packs). *I'm trying to follow along in the motherboard manual - it
> >>>>> says
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> install all Windows updates and service packs before installing
> >>>>> chipset
> >>>>> drivers, etc...For some reason, and I think this is a common problem
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> my
> >>>>> particular motherboard, my onboard ethernet ports are not working, so
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> cannot install any updates. *I have, however, downloaded SP2 and
> >>>>> installed
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> just to see what happens. *After hours of screwing around with drivers
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> installing a PCI NIC card (which didn't work), the ethernet ports
> >>>>> magically
> >>>>> began working. *Anyway, I guess my question is, does SP2 include all
> >>>>> prior
> >>>>> updates that get downloaded with Automatic Updates? I know it includes
> >>>>> everything from SP1...Just wondering if I somehow need to get my
> >>>>> ethernet
> >>>>> ports working before installing SP2 in order to install updates first
> >>>>> (if
> >>>>> they're not included in SP2).
>
> >>>>> Thanks!!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Normally, you can download the complete SP2 install files and place
them on a CD.

No, you do not have to follow the KB article. You are suggest to:

1) Start the XP firewall
2) Install an anti-virus system
3) Install SP2

and then follow the KB article. (The sequence can be changed for
steps 2 and 3.)

Also, once you have finished the SP2 install, do a Windows Update.

NOTE: Ignore SP3 for now! It is still in test phases and not
released as a general update to the public.

No. In such a case, you'd need to repeat the same steps I gave you in an
earlier reply to this thread: (1) Download/install SP2 manually, (2) do
either method in KB943144* in order to be able to use Windows/Automatic
Update(s) to (3) install all other post-SP2 updates including SP3 (after
it's been released).

*Note that about 2 years after the release of SP3, support for SP2 will end.
Assuming no big changes in the updating mechanism, you'll probably need to
(1) install SP3 right of the bat and then (2) jump through either the same
hoops in KB943144 or a later KB article that replaces it, in order to be
able to use Windows/Automatic Updates to (3) install all post-SP3 updates.
--
~PA Bear


Alan wrote:
> PA Bear,
>
> Does this mean that if I ever want to do a clean install on one of my
> older
> XP machines that shipped with the XP Gold CD -- and I didn't slipstream
> SP2
> into it -- that I'll have to first install just XP Gold and then have to
> use
> either of the two methods described in KB943144, before I'm able to
> install
> SP2?
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e0QzMJWjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "Because the registry files that correspond to the Wups2.dll file are
>> missing, update installations are unsuccessful." (Source: KB943144)
>>
>> Alan wrote:
>>> Hi Pa Bear,
>>>
>>> I'm not doubting you when you say "NB: Also applies to clean installs,
>>> upgrade installs, and Recovery installs."
>>>
>>> But I'm wondering why there would be ANY leftover files to cause
>>> conflicts
>>> from a prior installation, if a user does a clean install and is
>>> basically
>>> starting an XP installation on a newly-formatted hard drive.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uEDmbHQjIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> And as soon as you have SP2 installed, see this KB article which should
>>>> help make Automatic Update functional:
>>>>
>>>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
>>>> Microsoft
>>>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
>>>> installation:
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>>>
>>>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
>>>> installs.
>>>>
>>>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>>>>
>>>> Related:
>>>>
>>>> Before You Connect a New Computer to the Internet
>>>> http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html
>>>>
>>>> Security FAQ & Checklist
>>>> http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8463
>>>> --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>
>>>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>>>> SP2 includes everything you need. You do not need SP1 first or any of
>>>>> the
>>>>> updates release prior to SP2.
>>>>>
>>>>> "bcags7" <bcags7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:76EC9AF3-73C7-4157-A7DE-D1AD481DB073@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This may be a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find a clear
>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>> I'm building a new PC and I've installed Win XP (original, no service
>>>>>> packs). I'm trying to follow along in the motherboard manual - it
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> install all Windows updates and service packs before installing
>>>>>> chipset
>>>>>> drivers, etc...For some reason, and I think this is a common problem
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> particular motherboard, my onboard ethernet ports are not working, so
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> cannot install any updates. I have, however, downloaded SP2 and
>>>>>> installed
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> just to see what happens. After hours of screwing around with
>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> installing a PCI NIC card (which didn't work), the ethernet ports
>>>>>> magically
>>>>>> began working. Anyway, I guess my question is, does SP2 include all
>>>>>> prior
>>>>>> updates that get downloaded with Automatic Updates? I know it
>>>>>> includes
>>>>>> everything from SP1...Just wondering if I somehow need to get my
>>>>>> ethernet
>>>>>> ports working before installing SP2 in order to install updates first
>>>>>> (if
>>>>>> they're not included in SP2).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!!

smlunatick and PA Bear,

I understand now. Thank you.

Alan

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:u0BqgkdjIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> No. In such a case, you'd need to repeat the same steps I gave you in an
> earlier reply to this thread: (1) Download/install SP2 manually, (2) do
> either method in KB943144* in order to be able to use Windows/Automatic
> Update(s) to (3) install all other post-SP2 updates including SP3 (after
> it's been released).
>
> *Note that about 2 years after the release of SP3, support for SP2 will
> end. Assuming no big changes in the updating mechanism, you'll probably
> need to (1) install SP3 right of the bat and then (2) jump through either
> the same hoops in KB943144 or a later KB article that replaces it, in
> order to be able to use Windows/Automatic Updates to (3) install all
> post-SP3 updates.
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
>
> Alan wrote:
>> PA Bear,
>>
>> Does this mean that if I ever want to do a clean install on one of my
>> older
>> XP machines that shipped with the XP Gold CD -- and I didn't slipstream
>> SP2
>> into it -- that I'll have to first install just XP Gold and then have to
>> use
>> either of the two methods described in KB943144, before I'm able to
>> install
>> SP2?
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e0QzMJWjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> "Because the registry files that correspond to the Wups2.dll file are
>>> missing, update installations are unsuccessful." (Source: KB943144)
>>>
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> Hi Pa Bear,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not doubting you when you say "NB: Also applies to clean installs,
>>>> upgrade installs, and Recovery installs."
>>>>
>>>> But I'm wondering why there would be ANY leftover files to cause
>>>> conflicts
>>>> from a prior installation, if a user does a clean install and is
>>>> basically
>>>> starting an XP installation on a newly-formatted hard drive.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uEDmbHQjIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> And as soon as you have SP2 installed, see this KB article which
>>>>> should
>>>>> help make Automatic Update functional:
>>>>>
>>>>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
>>>>> installation:
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>>>>
>>>>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
>>>>> installs.
>>>>>
>>>>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>>>>>
>>>>> Related:
>>>>>
>>>>> Before You Connect a New Computer to the Internet
>>>>> http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Security FAQ & Checklist
>>>>> http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8463
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>>
>>>>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>>>>> SP2 includes everything you need. You do not need SP1 first or any
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> updates release prior to SP2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "bcags7" <bcags7@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:76EC9AF3-73C7-4157-A7DE-D1AD481DB073@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This may be a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find a clear
>>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>> I'm building a new PC and I've installed Win XP (original, no
>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>> packs). I'm trying to follow along in the motherboard manual - it
>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> install all Windows updates and service packs before installing
>>>>>>> chipset
>>>>>>> drivers, etc...For some reason, and I think this is a common problem
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> particular motherboard, my onboard ethernet ports are not working,
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> cannot install any updates. I have, however, downloaded SP2 and
>>>>>>> installed
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> just to see what happens. After hours of screwing around with
>>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> installing a PCI NIC card (which didn't work), the ethernet ports
>>>>>>> magically
>>>>>>> began working. Anyway, I guess my question is, does SP2 include all
>>>>>>> prior
>>>>>>> updates that get downloaded with Automatic Updates? I know it
>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>> everything from SP1...Just wondering if I somehow need to get my
>>>>>>> ethernet
>>>>>>> ports working before installing SP2 in order to install updates
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> (if
>>>>>>> they're not included in SP2).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!!
>