Microsoft Update & Zone Alarm 7.0

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"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
> news:Fa4dk.13587$xZ.967@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Your logic is faulty. Xp is an operating system and anyone who develops a
>> program (any program) to run with that OS has the responsibility to make
>> it compatible. ...
>
> The reason people buy an operating system is to provide an environment
> in which they can run applications which do actual work. An OS has no
> other reason for existence, and if it fails to provide the desired
> environment
> it isn't doing its job.
You fail to recognize that the OS was released first. Now someone else wants
to run their progam (non compatible)
and they blame the OS. Combine that with all the virus' being developed that
the OS must make changes to for
security.


Once people develop applications to run with an OS,
> and have achieved compatibility, they should be able to expect the OS not
> to change so as to redefine that compatibility and to require that they
> modify their application accordingly.
How about security changes??? Do you honestly believe anyone who develops an
OS
can foresee all the security problems??

They should expect to spend their
> money on making their application compatible with a new OS, such as
> Vista, but they shouldn't, ideally anyway, have to waste it on recovering
> compatibility after a change in an existing OS, such as XP.

I'm sure if you have a better idea on correcting security problems Microsoft
will listen to you.
>
> A side issue, but not an insignificant one, is the damage to the
> reputation of a product which a situation like the current one can
> cause. Just look at the trashing of ZoneAlarm in some responses
> in the threads in this group, and at the reports by some users of
> following advice to switch to another product. Which works for now.
> What happens if another MS update yanks the floor from under _it_?

That is an unfortunate part of doing business.
Do you remember the tire problem on Ford Explorers?
What happened to the tire company?
Ask yourself, what you would have done or would do if you were CEO of
Microsoft.

>
>

Does Online Armor (free version) notify us whenever something tries to
access the internet? (In other words) does it check outbound connection or
does it allow all outbound connection?


"MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message
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> I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, and
> MediaCenter with no issue.
> Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ?
>
> BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with a
> firewall. The free version is here:
> http://www.tallemu.com/free-firewall...-software.html
>
> Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be associated
> with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating Windows. ZA has
> gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it.
>
> Just my 2¢
>
> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
> ===============
> *-343-* FDNY
> Never Forgotten
> ===============
>
>
>
> R. McCarty wrote:
>
>> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of the
>> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your PC
>> is using Zone Alarm ).
>>
>> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone
>> Alarm installed.
>>
>> "swassociates" <swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...
>>
>>>I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the
>>>ZoneAlarm
>>>website.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"R. McCarty" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines
>>>>that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the
>>>>Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.
>>>>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it
>>>>will
>>>>rectify the situation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>

See related conversations in this forum:
http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board?board.id=cfg

Keep an eye on this thread:
http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/b...ssage.id=52785

Although the fix here should work:
http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/b...ssage.id=52727

I strongly disagree with this advice:
http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/fr...cessIssue.html

Perhaps a better firewall is what's needed?
http://www.matousec.com/projects/fir...ge/results.php

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

R. McCarty wrote:
> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines
> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the
> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.
> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will
> rectify the situation.

YES!

John wrote:
> Does Online Armor (free version) notify us whenever something tries to
> access the internet? (In other words) does it check outbound connection or
> does it allow all outbound connection?
>
>
> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message
> news:ORVbQcU4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, and
>> MediaCenter with no issue.
>> Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ?
>>
>> BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with a
>> firewall. The free version is here:
>> http://www.tallemu.com/free-firewall...-software.html
>>
>> Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be
>> associated
>> with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating Windows. ZA has
>> gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it.
>>
>> Just my 2¢
>>
>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
>> ===============
>> *-343-* FDNY
>> Never Forgotten
>> ===============
>>
>>
>>
>> R. McCarty wrote:
>>
>>> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of the
>>> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your PC
>>> is using Zone Alarm ).
>>>
>>> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone
>>> Alarm installed.
>>>
>>> "swassociates" <swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>>> I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the
>>>> ZoneAlarm
>>>> website.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "R. McCarty" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on
>>>>> machines
>>>>> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the
>>>>> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.
>>>>> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it
>>>>> will
>>>>> rectify the situation.

Yes it does, even better when you have the paid version you get a lot more
features <g>

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"John" <a> wrote in message news:uB8odff4IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Does Online Armor (free version) notify us whenever something tries to
> access the internet? (In other words) does it check outbound connection or
> does it allow all outbound connection?
>
>
> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message
> news:ORVbQcU4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, and
>> MediaCenter with no issue.
>> Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ?
>>
>> BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with a
>> firewall. The free version is here:
>> http://www.tallemu.com/free-firewall...-software.html
>>
>> Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be
>> associated with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating
>> Windows. ZA has gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it.
>>
>> Just my 2¢
>>
>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
>> ===============
>> *-343-* FDNY
>> Never Forgotten
>> ===============
>>
>>
>>
>> R. McCarty wrote:
>>
>>> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of the
>>> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your PC
>>> is using Zone Alarm ).
>>>
>>> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone
>>> Alarm installed.
>>>
>>> "swassociates" <swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>>>I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the
>>>>ZoneAlarm
>>>>website.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"R. McCarty" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines
>>>>>that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the
>>>>>Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.
>>>>>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it
>>>>>will
>>>>>rectify the situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>

I suppose that's yes, it does notify us.
Cool. I'll give it a try.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> YES!
>
> John wrote:
>> Does Online Armor (free version) notify us whenever something tries to
>> access the internet? (In other words) does it check outbound connection
>> or
>> does it allow all outbound connection?
>>
>>
>> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message
>> news:ORVbQcU4IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> I've installed it to 4 different XP versions ... Home, Pro, and
>>> MediaCenter with no issue.
>>> Perhaps a rebuild of the winsock stack would resolve the issue ?
>>>
>>> BTW, Mike Nash is now affiliated with a company that just came out with
>>> a
>>> firewall. The free version is here:
>>> http://www.tallemu.com/free-firewall...-software.html
>>>
>>> Knowing Mike, I ***highly*** doubt that any product he would be
>>> associated
>>> with has as many issues as Zone Alarm has with updating Windows. ZA has
>>> gone waaayyy downhill since Checkpoint acquired it.
>>>
>>> Just my 2¢
>>>
>>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
>>> ===============
>>> *-343-* FDNY
>>> Never Forgotten
>>> ===============
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> R. McCarty wrote:
>>>
>>>> The issue is with KB951748. It's advisable to unselect it as part of
>>>> the
>>>> 5 updates available today or uninstall if already applied. ( IF your PC
>>>> is using Zone Alarm ).
>>>>
>>>> Cannot say if the hotfix causes issues on PC's that do not have Zone
>>>> Alarm installed.
>>>>
>>>> "swassociates" <swassociates@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:B34288EA-000B-43D7-A7DC-93DC93C8BE4E@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>>> I've experienced the same problem. I also posted the problem on the
>>>>> ZoneAlarm
>>>>> website.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "R. McCarty" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on
>>>>>> machines
>>>>>> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.
>>>>>> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> rectify the situation.
>

I too am having problems with this update. I have installed it on 2
computers, and each time I have to uninstall it, because I cannot connect to
the internet. My Zone Alarm is not telling me that anything is trying to
access the internet. It just says "this page cannot be displayed" when I try
to connect to the internet.

"R. McCarty" wrote:

> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines
> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the
> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.
> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will
> rectify the situation.
>
>
>

Resolution [was Workaround] for Sudden Loss of Internet Access Problem
(revised multiple times since release on 08 July 2008)
http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/fr...cessIssue.html

NB: Do NOT use Option #2 if at all possible! The vulnerability addressed by
KB951748 *is* a big deal! See
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/secur...et_tues_1.html

Want to consider other, more highly-rated firewalls?
http://www.matousec.com/projects/fir...ge/results.php
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

debbienc wrote:
> I too am having problems with this update. I have installed it on 2
> computers, and each time I have to uninstall it, because I cannot connect
> to
> the internet. My Zone Alarm is not telling me that anything is trying to
> access the internet. It just says "this page cannot be displayed" when I
> try
> to connect to the internet.
>
> "R. McCarty" wrote:
>
>> Just a little info. Be careful of today's Microsoft Updates on machines
>> that are using Zone Alarm Free ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the
>> Zone Alarm client will block almost every web access with an alert.
>> Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it
>> will
>> rectify the situation.

The latest version of Zonealarm, 7.0.483.000, solves the problem.

http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/fr...cessIssue.html

On Jul 9, 1:29*am, "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgr...@nowandzen.com> wrote:
> No, the issue is caused byZoneAlarm, as explained by a moderator in
> the ZA Forum:http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/b...id=cfg&message...
>
> > If the windowsupdatechanged the usual needed files for networking/internet, then the ZA will not
> > see the changes and continue to use the previously known files and ignore the newer files. Even though
> > the file names and locations are still the same from before, now the file size and checksums no longer
> > match.
>
> This is wholly *** Checkpoint's fault ***, notMicrosoft's.
> Resetting the ZA database in Safe Mode is the recommended fix. Please
> click the ZA Forum URL for the entire fix.
> Setting security to "Medium" is not good practice.
>
> MowGreen *[MVP 2003-2008]
> ===============
> * *-343-* *FDNY
> Never Forgotten
> ===============
>
>
>
> Stephanie wrote:
>
> > "Anthony Buckland" wrote:
>
> >>"R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSp...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >>news:%238Mhx7S4IHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl.. .
>
> >>>Just a little info. Be careful of today'sMicrosoftUpdates on machines
> >>>that are usingZoneAlarmFree ( Version 7.0.462 ) after rebooting the
> >>>ZoneAlarmclient will block almost every web access with an alert.
> >>>Still investigating and trying the newer 7.0.473 version to see if it will
> >>>rectify the situation.
>
> >>I ran into the problem, and I'm using 7.0.473.000.
> >>It seems a bad idea to implementupdateKB951748 for the
> >>time being, particularly since it shuts you off from this and other
> >>discussions about it. *
>
> > I reported this problem earlier on another forum. *The problem is with the
> >UpdateKB951748 and not ZoneAlarm. *As mention, Internet coonection is
> > re-established on a firewall setting of Medium. *Uninstalling theupdate
> > allows you to reset ZA to the highest setting.
>
> > I had thisupdateas a notification (yellow shield) in tray. *Since it
> > wouldn't go away, I had to go to theUpdatesite and select 'do not show this
> >update' to get rid of it.
>
> > Will reset for theupdateonce the problem with ZA is fixed. *I would be
> > interested to know if thisupdateaffected other firewalls.
>
> > Ron- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I've already tried the ZA fix described in the forum and it didn't
work. Has anybody else tried it?