SP3 and CCleaner

I just installed SP3 on my notebook and desktop.
When I run CCleaner Registry section, I notice many entries there.

Can they ALL be deleted?

(Most of the are: Problem: Uninstaller reference issue KB931784 (many
different KBs mentioned.
Register Key: HKLM\Software\MicrosoftWindows\CurrentVersion\App
Management\App Management\ARpCache\KB931784....)

>I just installed SP3 on my notebook and desktop.
>When I run CCleaner Registry section, I notice many entries there.
>
>Can they ALL be deleted?
>
>(Most of the are: Problem: Uninstaller reference issue KB931784 (many
>different KBs mentioned.
>Register Key: HKLM\Software\MicrosoftWindows\CurrentVersion\App
>Management\App Management\ARpCache\KB931784....)

SP3 will remove any and ALL old Windows Updates and hotfixes since
what's in SP3 is newer than the old stuff. You can safely delete them
but use CC's backup feature before doing so in case anything odd
happens.

- Thee Chicago Wolf

And what happens if the system cannot boot to get to the backups ????

Registry Cleaners are all snake oil remedies in short. In long check

http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and you make up your own mind

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"Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message news:dkgu841htvuae3b5s15ats4fakbh8aesl3@4ax.com...
> >I just installed SP3 on my notebook and desktop.
>>When I run CCleaner Registry section, I notice many entries there.
>>
>>Can they ALL be deleted?
>>
>>(Most of the are: Problem: Uninstaller reference issue KB931784 (many
>>different KBs mentioned.
>>Register Key: HKLM\Software\MicrosoftWindows\CurrentVersion\App
>>Management\App Management\ARpCache\KB931784....)
>
> SP3 will remove any and ALL old Windows Updates and hotfixes since
> what's in SP3 is newer than the old stuff. You can safely delete them
> but use CC's backup feature before doing so in case anything odd
> happens.
>
> - Thee Chicago Wolf

Peter Foldes wrote:
> And what happens if the system cannot boot to get to the backups ????
>
> Registry Cleaners are all snake oil remedies in short. In long check
>
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and you make up your own mind
>

That site address is not Microsoft.

How is one supposed to know it if can be trusted or not?


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"cavelamb himself" <cavelamb@Xearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Peter Foldes wrote:
>> And what happens if the system cannot boot to get to the backups ????
>>
>> Registry Cleaners are all snake oil remedies in short. In long check
>>
>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and you make up your own mind
>>
>
> That site address is not Microsoft.
>
> How is one supposed to know it if can be trusted or not?
>
>
> --
>
> Richard
>
> (remove the X to email)

That must mean that you trust Microsoft !!

Galen

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:19:33 -0500, cavelamb himself
<cavelamb@Xearthlink.net> wrote:

> Peter Foldes wrote:
> > And what happens if the system cannot boot to get to the backups ????
> >
> > Registry Cleaners are all snake oil remedies in short. In long check
> >
> > http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and you make up your own mind
> >
>
> That site address is not Microsoft.
>
> How is one supposed to know it if can be trusted or not?


Regardless of whether it's Microsoft or not, it's simply a forum (but
a well-known and well-respected one). A forum has posts by many
different people, and different people can have widely different
levels of expertise and widely different opinions.

So it's not a matter of whether it can be trusted. The link is to a
discussion on that forum where there are many opinions stated, and
information to back them up. It's up to you to read those statements,
decide what views you agree with, and make your own decisions about
what to do, just as it is here in the Windows XP newsgroups.

Most of the views in http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 are
strongly against using registry cleaners, as is my own view. I know
and respect many of those who have put forward that view there, and
their views have in part shaped my own on this issue.

So ultimately, the choice of what to do is up to you. But the more
information you have, and the better information you have, on the
subject, the better a decision you can make. So reading the views both
in http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and here can help you
decide.

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Also see:

Why I don't use registry cleaners | Ed Bott's Windows Expertise
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
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Peter Foldes wrote:
> And what happens if the system cannot boot to get to the backups ????
>
> Registry Cleaners are all snake oil remedies in short. In long check
>
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and you make up your own mind
>
>
> "Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message
> news:dkgu841htvuae3b5s15ats4fakbh8aesl3@4ax.com...
>>> I just installed SP3 on my notebook and desktop.
>>> When I run CCleaner Registry section, I notice many entries there.
>>>
>>> Can they ALL be deleted?
>>>
>>> (Most of the are: Problem: Uninstaller reference issue KB931784 (many
>>> different KBs mentioned.
>>> Register Key: HKLM\Software\MicrosoftWindows\CurrentVersion\App
>>> Management\App Management\ARpCache\KB931784....)
>>
>> SP3 will remove any and ALL old Windows Updates and hotfixes since
>> what's in SP3 is newer than the old stuff. You can safely delete them
>> but use CC's backup feature before doing so in case anything odd
>> happens.
>>
>> - Thee Chicago Wolf

Galen Somerville wrote:

> "cavelamb himself" <cavelamb@Xearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:itSdncJ6O8HS8BLVnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>
>>Peter Foldes wrote:
>>
>>>And what happens if the system cannot boot to get to the backups ????
>>>
>>>Registry Cleaners are all snake oil remedies in short. In long check
>>>
>>>http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and you make up your own mind
>>>
>>
>>That site address is not Microsoft.
>>
>>How is one supposed to know it if can be trusted or not?
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>(remove the X to email)
>
>
> That must mean that you trust Microsoft !!
>
> Galen
>
>


Lol! Well you got me there.

No, I'm just worried about bogus stuff getting into my computer from
the net.

I don't claim any real deep knowledge about internet stuff - but the
horror stories are all pretty bad.

So how does one actually know what a downloaded program really does
without downloading and running it???

Color me timid there.

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Richard

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AliceZ wrote:
> I just installed SP3 on my notebook and desktop.
> When I run CCleaner Registry section, I notice many entries there.
>


Yes. and they're all almosdt certainly false alarms. Leave them alone.


> Can they ALL be deleted?
>


Only if you want to risk tanking your computer.

CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner. I tried the latest
version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications
installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and
CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned
registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making it
clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard. (Not that any registry
cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't serve any
*useful* purpose, to start with.)


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>And what happens if the system cannot boot to get to the backups ????
>
>Registry Cleaners are all snake oil remedies in short. In long check
>
>http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and you make up your own mind

With all due respect, the author over at Auhuma is not the last word
on the matter and one could start a thread months long on the matter
of registry cleaning.. I consider CCleaner to be light on the cleaning
as compared to something such as JV16. CCleaner is a good tool and if
someone doesn't want to use it, that's fine. I wouldn't recommend a
tool to someone that would purposely hose their system and CCleaner is
pretty fool-proof and I've not heard of any instances of it rendering
a system unbootable due to a registry clean. The fact of the matter
is, in an ideal world, software vendors / writers would uninstall ALL
their junk clean and not leave a trace but this is isn't an ideal
world and things always get left behind.

I don't agree that CCleaner is snake oil and removing junk from the
registry will somehow cause global warming or mass chaos. Here's my
personal testimonial to what a great tool CCleaner is. My neighbor's
PC was horribly infested with all sorts of malware / trojans / spyware
/ etc. due to their kids. When it was fully infested, it took *30
minutes* to boot to the desktop. Any program took 20 minutes to load.
Ultimately, I had to remove the hard drive and disinfect it on clean
PC. It took a full day to clean everything off. After putting the
drive back into the computer, it took 20 minutes to boot.

One bug in there was called IEfilter and it created a key in EVERY
SINGLE ENTRY in HKey_Classes_Root. I ran CCleaner on the computer for
48 hours straight and it cleaned out no less than 600000+ entries of
IEFilter.dll in the registry Afterwards, the computer booted to
desktop in 30-40 seconds and programs loaded quickly, as they should.

I've been at this for 18+ years and have never, ever seen such an
infested computer, much less one that could be successfully cleaned.
I've seen many registry cleaners come and go in that time period and I
do trust CCleaner. Snake oil my posterior.

- Thee Chicago Wolf