About XP Software

Technically you can do that, but if you want to remain compliant with the
EULA then you cannot, see the link Bob posted for more info.

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<LadyDungeness@Fish.Net> wrote in message
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> why "NO" -- if the old machine dies, why can't I install it on the new
> one? If I change the motherboard and the hard drive,
> isn't that the same thing as changing the machine? Does the software
> "know" which machine it belongs to?
>
>
> Lady Dungeness
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>>LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:
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>>> Good information. So it sounds like I can continue to "support" myself
>>> if I buy the OEM version.
>
>> Or take if off an old machine and install it on a new one that I build
>> Right?
>>
>>No.
>>
>>>
>>> As for my newsreader wrapping lines, I have no idea. Am I supposed to
>>> set it to wrap at 76? If you can tell me the nature
>>> of the problem, I'll try to fix it.
>>>
>>> :-D
>>>
>>>
>>> Lady Dungeness
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>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:57:37 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"LadyDungeness@Fish.Net" in
>>>><news:km0j64hpoj35fog6aca8qbal1q3vsrl8se@4ax.c om> wrote:
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>>>>>I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to
>>>>>use
>>>>>with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it.
>>>>>I d
>>>>>particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that if
>>>>>and w
>>>>>work.
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>>>>And the reason you have Forte configured to line-wrap at around 128
>>>>characters for each line is?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>An OEM version is tied to the first computer onto which it is installed.
>>>>
>>>>If an OEM version won't work after you change the motherboard, neither
>>>>will the retail version work on that new motherboard. Changing the
>>>>motherboard does not constitute getting a new computer but it will
>>>>require revalidating the OS license. Microsoft cannot bar anyone from
>>>>repairing their own computer.
>>>>
>>>>Okay, Newegg is selling OEM and retail versions. What's the difference?
>>>>How about the price? How about that the OEM version comes with no
>>>>support from Microsoft, like the first 2 calls are free, because you
>>>>didn't pay the extra money to Microsoft to get support? While retail
>>>>versions let you wipe and do a fresh install or do an upgrade install,
>>>>OEM versions do *not* perform upgrades. OEM versions wipe the partition
>>>>so you get a fresh install of the OS.
>>>>
>>>>"OEM for system builders". What, are you going to buy a volume license
>>>>now? The OEM license sticks to the first computer on which it is
>>>>installed. It does bar you from repairing your hardware. It does not
>>>>bar you from adding more hardware. It does bar you from upgrading your
>>>>hardware.

OK, thanks guys. So the OEM software cannot be uninstalled from computer #1 and installed on computer #2; to do so would
violate the EULA. I understand.

I'm still having trouble figuring out the difference between an old computer with the case changed and all the components
changed, and a "new" computer. There's some gray area there. Maybe it's okay to change the components and the case, one by
one, over a period of time -- and reinstall XP OEM. But not to change them all at one go. Is the time span the only
difference between an "old" computer that's been upgraded, and a "new" computer?

Not that it's ever going to happen, but inquiring minds want to know.


Lady Dungeness
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:10:33 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>"VanguardLH" in <news:JrSdnUg_CqaDWvTVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com >
>wrote:

>Damn. Now what did "not" get wiped from those last 2 sentences? Damn.
>You CAN change or upgrade hardware. The concept is that the OEM license
>is tied to the computer, not to specific hardware within (although the
>validation takes a snapshot of the hardware and will trigger
>revalidation if there is a significant change to major components).

Let's just say that it is a way of following the letter of the EULA
while not complying with the intent of the EULA.

LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:

> OK, thanks guys. So the OEM software cannot be uninstalled from computer #1 and installed on computer #2; to do so would
> violate the EULA. I understand.
>
> I'm still having trouble figuring out the difference between an old computer with the case changed and all the components
> changed, and a "new" computer. There's some gray area there. Maybe it's okay to change the components and the case, one by
> one, over a period of time -- and reinstall XP OEM. But not to change them all at one go. Is the time span the only
> difference between an "old" computer that's been upgraded, and a "new" computer?
>
> Not that it's ever going to happen, but inquiring minds want to know.
>
>
> Lady Dungeness
> Out of Danger until September
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> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:10:33 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>
>
>>"VanguardLH" in <news:JrSdnUg_CqaDWvTVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com >
>>wrote:
>
>
>>Damn. Now what did "not" get wiped from those last 2 sentences? Damn.
>>You CAN change or upgrade hardware. The concept is that the OEM license
>>is tied to the computer, not to specific hardware within (although the
>>validation takes a snapshot of the hardware and will trigger
>>revalidation if there is a significant change to major components).

Cool.


Lady Dungeness
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:51:48 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Let's just say that it is a way of following the letter of the EULA
>while not complying with the intent of the EULA.
>

LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:

> I'm still having trouble figuring out the difference between an old computer with the case changed and all the components
> changed, and a "new" computer. There's some gray area there. Maybe it's okay to change the components and the case, one by
> one, over a period of time -- and reinstall XP OEM. But not to change them all at one go. Is the time span the only
> difference between an "old" computer that's been upgraded, and a "new" computer?

So are you planning on having 2 computers afterward when you before only
have 1 computer? There be the difference. You can upgrade an old
computer until it is new to you but it is still the same computer that
went through evolution. You getting a facelift, tummy tuck, boob job,
botox, hair color change, longer false eyelashes, teeth capped and
whitened, moles removed, lipsuction, superficial gender change, spray-on
tan, colored eye contacts, ear lobes clipped, nose job, and bikini wax
don't change that the "new" you is really still the old you with a lot
of changes to the old you. However, with computers, you can even swap
out the brains and still consider the computer to have been merely
updated.

No. Just one computer. The laptops came with the OS already.


Lady Dungeness
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:48:59 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:
>
>> I'm still having trouble figuring out the difference between an old computer with the case changed and all the components
>> changed, and a "new" computer. There's some gray area there. Maybe it's okay to change the components and the case, one by
>> one, over a period of time -- and reinstall XP OEM. But not to change them all at one go. Is the time span the only
>> difference between an "old" computer that's been upgraded, and a "new" computer?
>
>So are you planning on having 2 computers afterward when you before only
>have 1 computer? There be the difference. You can upgrade an old
>computer until it is new to you but it is still the same computer that
>went through evolution.

Yes, -- I need all the following:

You getting a facelift, tummy tuck, boob job,
>botox, hair color change, longer false eyelashes, teeth capped and
>whitened, moles removed, lipsuction, superficial gender change, spray-on
>tan, colored eye contacts, ear lobes clipped, nose job, and bikini wax
>don't change that the "new" you is really still the old you with a lot
>of changes to the old you.

On 2008-07-01, LadyDungeness@Fish.Net hit the keyboard and wrote:


> why "NO" -- if the old machine dies, why can't I install
it on the new one? If I change the motherboard and the hard
drive,

Thanks for the entertainment I got from this "thread". But if you
a really worried about licenses, maybe you should consider using
another OS, something like *Ubuntu*. Gnu/Linux OS doesn't have the
restrictions like MS. I installed the same OS on three PC and didn't
have to worry that I'd violate a license.

Dragomir Kollaric
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Dragomir Kollaric wrote:

> On 2008-07-01, LadyDungeness@Fish.Net hit the keyboard and wrote:
>
>
>
>>why "NO" -- if the old machine dies, why can't I install
>
> it on the new one? If I change the motherboard and the hard
> drive,
>
> Thanks for the entertainment I got from this "thread". But if you
> a really worried about licenses, maybe you should consider using
> another OS, something like *Ubuntu*. Gnu/Linux OS doesn't have the
> restrictions like MS. I installed the same OS on three PC and didn't
> have to worry that I'd violate a license.
>
> Dragomir Kollaric

Don't have to worry about installing the Windows software you bought and
need to use either! Great solution! NOT.

Yeah, then all you have to worry about is the clunky command line interface
you have to use to perform certain tasks, [sarcasm]that's much
easier[\sarcasm].

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"Dragomir Kollaric" <Dragomir@DK.org.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks for the entertainment I got from this "thread". But if you
> a really worried about licenses, maybe you should consider using
> another OS, something like *Ubuntu*. Gnu/Linux OS doesn't have the
> restrictions like MS. I installed the same OS on three PC and didn't
> have to worry that I'd violate a license.
>
> Dragomir Kollaric
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>

On 2008-07-07, David B. hit the keyboard and wrote:

> Yeah, then all you have to worry about is the clunky
> command line interface you have to use to perform certain
> tasks, [sarcasm]that's much easier[\sarcasm].

clunky command line?
Ever read about "alias" in Unix/Linux?
this are commands for my "shell"

alias ecarecord90min='ecasound -c -t:5500 -i /dev/dsp -o'
alias ecarecord45min='ecasound -c -t:2800 -i /dev/dsp -o'
++++

Lets say I record a 45 min Tape to the PC, I just start a
terminal (command line) change into the directory I want.
press the start/pause button on the Tape-deck, and then type
"eca" hit" tab" it will then expand the "record" portion
waiting for me to hit either "9" or "4" "tab" then the whole
command will finish and wait for me to type "my-music.wav"
as the out-put. Finish the whole with a last "RETURN" Press
"start" on the Tape-deck" and the recording to the PC
starts.

The cool thing is that the tool (a recorder) will stop after
the 45 minutes, then 5 minutes later the PC will shut down
if I want it to. I've used several "gui" programs to record
music, but all of them need me to be there, and I still have
to hangle through the menus to the "Save as button" and then
search for the directory I want the music to be stored.
This "simple" command-line beats them all.

To process the resulting "wav-file" I use a "GUI" program.

or update the System:

"apt-get update" "apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal with a
"return" is all, of course then there is GUI to "Menu |
System | Update" then comes a box I have to type in my
password. If I have a "shell" as "root" running this is way
faster. besides for the above I use another "alias" stored
in a config-file.

Mind you I'm not a programmer, but I can say that I can get
any GNU/Linux configured and running, by simply editing a
few files if there are any problems.

But the latest versions are much easier to maintain as those
I started out with. One can set up Ubuntu and almost never
need to use the clunky command-line tools. If I type
this reply in a "terminal-news-reader" or GUI-program like
"t-bird" "Pan" etc. etc. doesn't matter, the typing speed in
all of them is dependent on my abilities.

But to each its own. Over the years using GNU/Linux saved
me some big bucks, as I didn't have to buy the sound
recording/processing software I'm used on my PC's. Instead I
could buy better hardware. But this is getting OT here.

>


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