About XP Software

I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to use in the future. I have an OEM version that came
with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it. I do not know if the OEM version is "tied" to any
particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that if and when I change my motherboard, that XP will still
work.

I was looking at NewEgg, and they are selling XP OS for OEM system builders and XP OS retail. I don't know the difference.
In effect, I build my own systems. Though I would never call myself a "system builder" and I never sell the systems I build.
I just replace components in my case from time to time as needed. The XP OS for OEM system builders is about half the price
of the retail version.

If I buy the OEM for system builders version and install it, will I be able to reinstall it later when I install new system
components like the motherboard? Or will I get a message saying that I cannot reinstall it because I don't have the same
components?

Appreciate the help ...


Lady Dungeness
Out of Danger until September
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LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:
> I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to use in the future. I have an OEM version that came
> with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it. I do not know if the OEM version is "tied" to any
> particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that if and when I change my motherboard, that XP will still
> work.
>
> I was looking at NewEgg, and they are selling XP OS for OEM system builders and XP OS retail. I don't know the difference.
> In effect, I build my own systems. Though I would never call myself a "system builder" and I never sell the systems I build.
> I just replace components in my case from time to time as needed. The XP OS for OEM system builders is about half the price
> of the retail version.
>
> If I buy the OEM for system builders version and install it, will I be able to reinstall it later when I install new system
> components like the motherboard? Or will I get a message saying that I cannot reinstall it because I don't have the same
> components?
>
> Appreciate the help ...
>
>
> Lady Dungeness
> Out of Danger until September
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
I think simply put, OEM means you get no support from Microsoft.
You become the Manufacturer like Dell does. Dell supports their OEM,
not MS. You support your OEM not MS.

Except this is a OEM version that is not tied to the BIOS of the PC like
some Dell OEM discs are.

Retail means your valid for support from microsoft.

Big_Al wrote:
> LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:
>> I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to
>> use in the future. I have an OEM version that came
>> with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it.
>> I do not know if the OEM version is "tied" to any
>> particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that if
>> and when I change my motherboard, that XP will still
>> work.
>> I was looking at NewEgg, and they are selling XP OS for OEM system
>> builders and XP OS retail. I don't know the difference.
>> In effect, I build my own systems. Though I would never call myself a
>> "system builder" and I never sell the systems I build.
>> I just replace components in my case from time to time as needed. The
>> XP OS for OEM system builders is about half the price
>> of the retail version.
>> If I buy the OEM for system builders version and install it, will I be
>> able to reinstall it later when I install new system
>> components like the motherboard? Or will I get a message saying that
>> I cannot reinstall it because I don't have the same
>> components?
>> Appreciate the help ...
>>
>> Lady Dungeness
>> Out of Danger until September
>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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I think simply put, OEM means you get no support from Microsoft.
You become the Manufacturer like Dell does. Dell supports their OEM,
not MS. You support your OEM not MS.

Some OEM's like Dell ships, are tied to the BIOS of the motherboard.
This is not the case however in the NewEgg products since they don't
know your board. But their OEM still implies the lack of MS support.

Retail means you can get support from microsoft.

"LadyDungeness@Fish.Net" in
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> I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to use
> with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it. I d
> particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that if and w
> work.
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And the reason you have Forte configured to line-wrap at around 128
characters for each line is?


An OEM version is tied to the first computer onto which it is installed.

If an OEM version won't work after you change the motherboard, neither
will the retail version work on that new motherboard. Changing the
motherboard does not constitute getting a new computer but it will
require revalidating the OS license. Microsoft cannot bar anyone from
repairing their own computer.

Okay, Newegg is selling OEM and retail versions. What's the difference?
How about the price? How about that the OEM version comes with no
support from Microsoft, like the first 2 calls are free, because you
didn't pay the extra money to Microsoft to get support? While retail
versions let you wipe and do a fresh install or do an upgrade install,
OEM versions do *not* perform upgrades. OEM versions wipe the partition
so you get a fresh install of the OS.

"OEM for system builders". What, are you going to buy a volume license
now? The OEM license sticks to the first computer on which it is
installed. It does bar you from repairing your hardware. It does not
bar you from adding more hardware. It does bar you from upgrading your
hardware.

Good information. So it sounds like I can continue to "support" myself if I buy the OEM version. And I can install it and
reinstall it on the same machine. Or take if off an old machine and install it on a new one that I build Right?

As for my newsreader wrapping lines, I have no idea. Am I supposed to set it to wrap at 76? If you can tell me the nature
of the problem, I'll try to fix it.

:-D


Lady Dungeness
Out of Danger until September
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:57:37 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>"LadyDungeness@Fish.Net" in
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>
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>> I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to use
>> with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it. I d
>> particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that if and w
>> work.
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>
>And the reason you have Forte configured to line-wrap at around 128
>characters for each line is?
>
>
>An OEM version is tied to the first computer onto which it is installed.
>
>If an OEM version won't work after you change the motherboard, neither
>will the retail version work on that new motherboard. Changing the
>motherboard does not constitute getting a new computer but it will
>require revalidating the OS license. Microsoft cannot bar anyone from
>repairing their own computer.
>
>Okay, Newegg is selling OEM and retail versions. What's the difference?
>How about the price? How about that the OEM version comes with no
>support from Microsoft, like the first 2 calls are free, because you
>didn't pay the extra money to Microsoft to get support? While retail
>versions let you wipe and do a fresh install or do an upgrade install,
>OEM versions do *not* perform upgrades. OEM versions wipe the partition
>so you get a fresh install of the OS.
>
>"OEM for system builders". What, are you going to buy a volume license
>now? The OEM license sticks to the first computer on which it is
>installed. It does bar you from repairing your hardware. It does not
>bar you from adding more hardware. It does bar you from upgrading your
>hardware.

LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:

> Good information. So it sounds like I can continue to "support" myself if I buy the OEM version.

Yes
And I can install it and
> reinstall it on the same machine.

Yes

Or take if off an old machine and install it on a new one that I build
Right?

No.

>
> As for my newsreader wrapping lines, I have no idea. Am I supposed to set it to wrap at 76? If you can tell me the nature
> of the problem, I'll try to fix it.
>
> :-D
>
>
> Lady Dungeness
> Out of Danger until September
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
>
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:57:37 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>
>
>>"LadyDungeness@Fish.Net" in
>><news:km0j64hpoj35fog6aca8qbal1q3vsrl8se@4ax.com > wrote:
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>>>I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to use
>>>with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it. I d
>>>particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that if and w
>>>work.
>>
>><overly long physical lines were truncated at 76 characters>
>><snip - more lines that exceed 76 characters in length>
>>
>>And the reason you have Forte configured to line-wrap at around 128
>>characters for each line is?
>>
>>
>>An OEM version is tied to the first computer onto which it is installed.
>>
>>If an OEM version won't work after you change the motherboard, neither
>>will the retail version work on that new motherboard. Changing the
>>motherboard does not constitute getting a new computer but it will
>>require revalidating the OS license. Microsoft cannot bar anyone from
>>repairing their own computer.
>>
>>Okay, Newegg is selling OEM and retail versions. What's the difference?
>>How about the price? How about that the OEM version comes with no
>>support from Microsoft, like the first 2 calls are free, because you
>>didn't pay the extra money to Microsoft to get support? While retail
>>versions let you wipe and do a fresh install or do an upgrade install,
>>OEM versions do *not* perform upgrades. OEM versions wipe the partition
>>so you get a fresh install of the OS.
>>
>>"OEM for system builders". What, are you going to buy a volume license
>>now? The OEM license sticks to the first computer on which it is
>>installed. It does bar you from repairing your hardware. It does not
>>bar you from adding more hardware. It does bar you from upgrading your
>>hardware.

why "NO" -- if the old machine dies, why can't I install it on the new one? If I change the motherboard and the hard drive,
isn't that the same thing as changing the machine? Does the software "know" which machine it belongs to?


Lady Dungeness
Out of Danger until September
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>
>
>LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:
>
>> Good information. So it sounds like I can continue to "support" myself if I buy the OEM version.

> Or take if off an old machine and install it on a new one that I build
> Right?
>
>No.
>
>>
>> As for my newsreader wrapping lines, I have no idea. Am I supposed to set it to wrap at 76? If you can tell me the nature
>> of the problem, I'll try to fix it.
>>
>> :-D
>>
>>
>> Lady Dungeness
>> Out of Danger until September
>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:57:37 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"LadyDungeness@Fish.Net" in
>>><news:km0j64hpoj35fog6aca8qbal1q3vsrl8se@4ax.co m> wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>>>I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to use
>>>>with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it. I d
>>>>particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that if and w
>>>>work.
>>>
>>><overly long physical lines were truncated at 76 characters>
>>><snip - more lines that exceed 76 characters in length>
>>>
>>>And the reason you have Forte configured to line-wrap at around 128
>>>characters for each line is?
>>>
>>>
>>>An OEM version is tied to the first computer onto which it is installed.
>>>
>>>If an OEM version won't work after you change the motherboard, neither
>>>will the retail version work on that new motherboard. Changing the
>>>motherboard does not constitute getting a new computer but it will
>>>require revalidating the OS license. Microsoft cannot bar anyone from
>>>repairing their own computer.
>>>
>>>Okay, Newegg is selling OEM and retail versions. What's the difference?
>>>How about the price? How about that the OEM version comes with no
>>>support from Microsoft, like the first 2 calls are free, because you
>>>didn't pay the extra money to Microsoft to get support? While retail
>>>versions let you wipe and do a fresh install or do an upgrade install,
>>>OEM versions do *not* perform upgrades. OEM versions wipe the partition
>>>so you get a fresh install of the OS.
>>>
>>>"OEM for system builders". What, are you going to buy a volume license
>>>now? The OEM license sticks to the first computer on which it is
>>>installed. It does bar you from repairing your hardware. It does not
>>>bar you from adding more hardware. It does bar you from upgrading your
>>>hardware.

"VanguardLH" in <news:JrSdnUg_CqaDWvTVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com >
wrote:

> "LadyDungeness@Fish.Net" in
> <news:km0j64hpoj35fog6aca8qbal1q3vsrl8se@4ax.com > wrote:
>
> 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 12345678901234567890123456
>> I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to use
>> with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it. I d
>> particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that if and w
>> work.
> <overly long physical lines were truncated at 76 characters>
> <snip - more lines that exceed 76 characters in length>
>
> And the reason you have Forte configured to line-wrap at around 128
> characters for each line is?
>
> An OEM version is tied to the first computer onto which it is installed.
>
> If an OEM version won't work after you change the motherboard, neither
> will the retail version work on that new motherboard. Changing the
> motherboard does not constitute getting a new computer but it will
> require revalidating the OS license. Microsoft cannot bar anyone from
> repairing their own computer.
>
> Okay, Newegg is selling OEM and retail versions. What's the difference?
> How about the price? How about that the OEM version comes with no
> support from Microsoft, like the first 2 calls are free, because you
> didn't pay the extra money to Microsoft to get support? While retail
> versions let you wipe and do a fresh install or do an upgrade install,
> OEM versions do *not* perform upgrades. OEM versions wipe the partition
> so you get a fresh install of the OS.
>
> "OEM for system builders". What, are you going to buy a volume license
> now? The OEM license sticks to the first computer on which it is
> installed. It does bar you from repairing your hardware. It does not
> bar you from adding more hardware. It does bar you from upgrading your
> hardware.

Damn. Now what did "not" get wiped from those last 2 sentences? Damn.
You CAN change or upgrade hardware. The concept is that the OEM license
is tied to the computer, not to specific hardware within (although the
validation takes a snapshot of the hardware and will trigger
revalidation if there is a significant change to major components).

"LadyDungeness@Fish.Net" in
<news:kt3k64t2ahsc4d2sgf8sal5rktrp1prqav@4ax.com > wrote:

> Good information. So it sounds like I can continue to "support" myself if
> reinstall it on the same machine. Or take if off an old machine and insta
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You cannot transfer the OEM license to a *new* computer. It sticks with
the old computer. You can upgrade or change the motherboard in the old
computer. You can change or add memory to the old computer. You can
upgrade or change the CPU in the old computer. You can add
daughtercards at-will in the old computer. You can replace or upgrade
the power supply in the old computer. You can add or replace hard disks
in the old computer. You can shove anything you want, like printers or
thumb drives, into the USB ports on the old computer. You can repair,
replace, or upgrade the monitor on the old computer. You could transfer
the old parts from your old computer into a new case. There isn't any
hardware that you cannot change in the old computer, so much so that it
becomes a new computer, but the concept is that the OEM license sticks
with whatever is your old computer or whatever your old computer
becomes.

If you build a new computer and your old computer still exists as a
separate host then, no, you cannot use the OEM license on the new
computer since your old computer still exists. The OEM license sticks
with the old computer.

> As for my newsreader wrapping lines, I have no idea. Am I supposed to set
> of the problem, I'll try to fix it.
<overly long lines truncated at 76 characters>

Somewhere within Forte is a configuration setting for the maximum line
length or at what length it will line-wrap. I've trialed Forte Agent
before but don't use it now so I cannot wander around within it looking
for you where is the setting. You could use the help included with the
program to see if it mentions how to configure line length. There are
also newsgroups for Forte, like alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.
128 characters seems an oddball length and I suspect it was not the
default value so my guess is that you already touched that configuration
setting.

OEMs may not be transferred from one PC to another.

http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...42/OSLicQA.doc



6. What is the difference between OEM product and Full-Packaged Product
(FPP)?
ANSWER. OEM products are intended to be preinstalled on hardware before
the end user purchases the product. They are “shrink wrapped” and do
not come in a box like the retail products do. Full-Packaged Product
(FPP) is boxed with CD(s), manuals, and the EULA and is sold in retail
stores in individual boxes. The End User License Agreements (commonly
referred to as “EULAs”) for OEM and FPP products are slightly different.
One main difference is that an OEM operating system license (such as
the license for Windows) cannot be transferred from its original PC to
another PC. However, the FPP version of Windows may be transferred to
another PC as long as the EULA, manual and media (such as the backup CD)
accompany the transfer to the other PC. Also, when a customer purchases
an OEM product, the OEM license requires the OEM to provide support for
the product.


LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:
> why "NO" -- if the old machine dies, why can't I install it on the new one? If I change the motherboard and the hard drive,
> isn't that the same thing as changing the machine? Does the software "know" which machine it belongs to?
>
>
> Lady Dungeness
> Out of Danger until September
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
>
>
>>
>>LadyDungeness@Fish.Net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Good information. So it sounds like I can continue to "support" myself if I buy the OEM version.
>
>
>> Or take if off an old machine and install it on a new one that I build
>> Right?
>>
>>No.
>>
>>
>>>As for my newsreader wrapping lines, I have no idea. Am I supposed toset it to wrap at 76? If you can tell me the nature
>>>of the problem, I'll try to fix it.
>>>
>>>:-D
>>>
>>>
>>>Lady Dungeness
>>>Out of Danger until September
>>>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:57:37 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"LadyDungeness@Fish.Net" in
>>>><news:km0j64hpoj35fog6aca8qbal1q3vsrl8se@4ax.c om> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456 789012345678901234567890123456
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'd like to get a retail version of the XP windows operating system to use
>>>>>with my computer when a local company (now out of business) built it. I d
>>>>>particular hardware. I want the retail version to make sure that ifand w
>>>>>work.
>>>>
>>>><overly long physical lines were truncated at 76 characters>
>>>><snip - more lines that exceed 76 characters in length>
>>>>
>>>>And the reason you have Forte configured to line-wrap at around 128
>>>>characters for each line is?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>An OEM version is tied to the first computer onto which it is installed.
>>>>
>>>>If an OEM version won't work after you change the motherboard, neither
>>>>will the retail version work on that new motherboard. Changing the
>>>>motherboard does not constitute getting a new computer but it will
>>>>require revalidating the OS license. Microsoft cannot bar anyone from
>>>>repairing their own computer.
>>>>
>>>>Okay, Newegg is selling OEM and retail versions. What's the difference?
>>>>How about the price? How about that the OEM version comes with no
>>>>support from Microsoft, like the first 2 calls are free, because you
>>>>didn't pay the extra money to Microsoft to get support? While retail
>>>>versions let you wipe and do a fresh install or do an upgrade install,
>>>>OEM versions do *not* perform upgrades. OEM versions wipe the partition
>>>>so you get a fresh install of the OS.
>>>>
>>>>"OEM for system builders". What, are you going to buy a volume license
>>>>now? The OEM license sticks to the first computer on which it is
>>>>installed. It does bar you from repairing your hardware. It does not
>>>>bar you from adding more hardware. It does bar you from upgrading your
>>>>hardware.