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Old 07-13-2008, 01:42 AM
attilathehun1
 
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RAID vs plain SATA?
I'm reading this motherboard manual and it's a very interesting manual. This
manual tells alot about how to create a RAID , set SATA RAID/AHCI Mode under
Intergrated Peripherals menu to RAID. It's disabled by default. If you don't
want to create RAID, set this item to Disabled or AHCI.
What is the advantage to create RAID opposed to not creating RAID, what is
the bonus?
This manual is real detailed. This is like a learning manual for a class.
Ok, lets get on with building the new PC.
Oh yeah, newegg.com sent back the motherboard again. This is the second
time they've sent it back. This mobo is an S-Series GA-EP35C-DS3R.
I'm sticking the SAMSUNG Spinpoint SP1614C SATA hard drive into the
Thermaltake tower. This is the totally new PC that everyone wanted to know
how it turned out. Well, it's starting again. This time I'm not going to
stick everything on it and fire it up. I'm going with the bare essentials and
then I can add on after I know it fires up. I've learned a lesson on how to
cut corners, the hard way!
Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, attilathehun1
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:49 AM
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Re: RAID vs plain SATA?
In article <9CFF44F3-4958-4BD1-8A31-7F05CF00FE2F@microsoft.com>,
attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> I'm sticking the SAMSUNG Spinpoint SP1614C SATA hard drive into the
> Thermaltake tower. This is the totally new PC that everyone wanted to know
> how it turned out. Well, it's starting again. This time I'm not going to
> stick everything on it and fire it up. I'm going with the bare essentials and
> then I can add on after I know it fires up. I've learned a lesson on how to
> cut corners, the hard way!


I never buy Samsung drives.

I buy Intel or Asus motherboards.

I never experience anything like you've posted in my 30+ years of
working with computers.

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Old 07-13-2008, 02:26 AM
Shenan Stanley
 
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Re: RAID vs plain SATA?
attilathehun1 wrote:
> I'm reading this motherboard manual and it's a very interesting
> manual. This manual tells alot about how to create a RAID , set
> SATA RAID/AHCI Mode under Intergrated Peripherals menu to RAID.
> It's disabled by default. If you don't want to create RAID, set
> this item to Disabled or AHCI.
> What is the advantage to create RAID opposed to not creating RAID,
> what is the bonus?
> This manual is real detailed. This is like a learning manual for a
> class. Ok, lets get on with building the new PC.
> Oh yeah, newegg.com sent back the motherboard again. This is the
> second
> time they've sent it back. This mobo is an S-Series GA-EP35C-DS3R.
> I'm sticking the SAMSUNG Spinpoint SP1614C SATA hard drive into the
> Thermaltake tower. This is the totally new PC that everyone wanted
> to know how it turned out. Well, it's starting again. This time I'm
> not going to stick everything on it and fire it up. I'm going with
> the bare essentials and then I can add on after I know it fires up.
> I've learned a lesson on how to cut corners, the hard way!
> Any more help will be greatly appreciated.


Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks...
(More than one drive put together to improve performance and/or redundancy.)

If you only have one drive - you don't have a RAID.
If you only have two drives and have more space available to use than one of
them (you have the combined size) - then you have no redundancy - so some
would say you don't have a RAID - but it is still called RAID 0 (striped)
and it can improve performance.

Etc...

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Old 07-13-2008, 03:32 AM
John McKenzie
 
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Re: RAID vs plain SATA?
Shenan Stanley wrote:
> attilathehun1 wrote:
>> I'm reading this motherboard manual and it's a very interesting
>> manual. This manual tells alot about how to create a RAID , set
>> SATA RAID/AHCI Mode under Intergrated Peripherals menu to RAID.
>> It's disabled by default. If you don't want to create RAID, set
>> this item to Disabled or AHCI.
>> What is the advantage to create RAID opposed to not creating RAID,
>> what is the bonus?
>> This manual is real detailed. This is like a learning manual for a
>> class. Ok, lets get on with building the new PC.
>> Oh yeah, newegg.com sent back the motherboard again. This is the
>> second
>> time they've sent it back. This mobo is an S-Series GA-EP35C-DS3R.
>> I'm sticking the SAMSUNG Spinpoint SP1614C SATA hard drive into the
>> Thermaltake tower. This is the totally new PC that everyone wanted
>> to know how it turned out. Well, it's starting again. This time I'm
>> not going to stick everything on it and fire it up. I'm going with
>> the bare essentials and then I can add on after I know it fires up.
>> I've learned a lesson on how to cut corners, the hard way!
>> Any more help will be greatly appreciated.

>
> Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks...
> (More than one drive put together to improve performance and/or redundancy.)
>
> If you only have one drive - you don't have a RAID.
> If you only have two drives and have more space available to use than one of
> them (you have the combined size) - then you have no redundancy - so some
> would say you don't have a RAID - but it is still called RAID 0 (striped)
> and it can improve performance.
>
> Etc...
>

5% or 10% increase in performance is about all you see in RAID 0.
I do not know if it is worth it. RAID 1 at least gives a backup of sorts.
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:44 AM
Shenan Stanley
 
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Re: RAID vs plain SATA?
<snip>

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks...
> (More than one drive put together to improve performance and/or
> redundancy.)
> If you only have one drive - you don't have a RAID.
> If you only have two drives and have more space available to use
> than one of them (you have the combined size) - then you have no
> redundancy - so some would say you don't have a RAID - but it is
> still called RAID 0 (striped) and it can improve performance.
>
> Etc...


John McKenzie wrote:
> 5% or 10% increase in performance is about all you see in RAID 0.
> I do not know if it is worth it. RAID 1 at least gives a backup of
> sorts.


I'd rather use RAID0 than RAID1 - as I see no benefit to RAID1 other than
the ability to recover from an instantaneous hardware failure of the main
drive. ;-)

However - I put 'etc...' to imply more research could be done by the OP. ;-)

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Old 07-13-2008, 04:14 AM
Bill in Co.
 
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Re: RAID vs plain SATA?
Shenan Stanley wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks...
>> (More than one drive put together to improve performance and/or
>> redundancy.)
>> If you only have one drive - you don't have a RAID.
>> If you only have two drives and have more space available to use
>> than one of them (you have the combined size) - then you have no
>> redundancy - so some would say you don't have a RAID - but it is
>> still called RAID 0 (striped) and it can improve performance.
>>
>> Etc...

>
> John McKenzie wrote:
>> 5% or 10% increase in performance is about all you see in RAID 0.
>> I do not know if it is worth it. RAID 1 at least gives a backup of
>> sorts.

>
> I'd rather use RAID0 than RAID1 - as I see no benefit to RAID1 other than
> the ability to recover from an instantaneous hardware failure of the main
> drive. ;-)
>
> However - I put 'etc...' to imply more research could be done by the OP.
> ;-)


Imply? No, a more direct statement to that effect is needed for "Attila
the Hun".


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Old 07-13-2008, 05:55 AM
Andrew E.
 
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RE: RAID vs plain SATA?
Well first you need two SATA hds for RAID,then configure the two.2nd,most
of the past posts give you an idea that most posts havent a clue as to how
SATA & RAID performance effects a OS...RAID is about 2X as fast as SATA.For
details,look at the performance graph
at:http://www.intel.com/performance/des...erformance.htm

"attilathehun1" wrote:

> I'm reading this motherboard manual and it's a very interesting manual. This
> manual tells alot about how to create a RAID , set SATA RAID/AHCI Mode under
> Intergrated Peripherals menu to RAID. It's disabled by default. If you don't
> want to create RAID, set this item to Disabled or AHCI.
> What is the advantage to create RAID opposed to not creating RAID, what is
> the bonus?
> This manual is real detailed. This is like a learning manual for a class.
> Ok, lets get on with building the new PC.
> Oh yeah, newegg.com sent back the motherboard again. This is the second
> time they've sent it back. This mobo is an S-Series GA-EP35C-DS3R.
> I'm sticking the SAMSUNG Spinpoint SP1614C SATA hard drive into the
> Thermaltake tower. This is the totally new PC that everyone wanted to know
> how it turned out. Well, it's starting again. This time I'm not going to
> stick everything on it and fire it up. I'm going with the bare essentials and
> then I can add on after I know it fires up. I've learned a lesson on how to
> cut corners, the hard way!
> Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks, attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1

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Old 07-13-2008, 08:32 AM
RJK
 
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Re: RAID vs plain SATA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redunda...ependent_disks

enjoy :-)

regards, Richard


"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message
news:AF228207-B5CF-4DC5-B59D-FC22CE5A8441@microsoft.com...
> Well first you need two SATA hds for RAID,then configure the two.2nd,most
> of the past posts give you an idea that most posts havent a clue as to how
> SATA & RAID performance effects a OS...RAID is about 2X as fast as
> SATA.For
> details,look at the performance graph
> at:http://www.intel.com/performance/des...erformance.htm
>
> "attilathehun1" wrote:
>
>> I'm reading this motherboard manual and it's a very interesting manual.
>> This
>> manual tells alot about how to create a RAID , set SATA RAID/AHCI Mode
>> under
>> Intergrated Peripherals menu to RAID. It's disabled by default. If you
>> don't
>> want to create RAID, set this item to Disabled or AHCI.
>> What is the advantage to create RAID opposed to not creating RAID, what
>> is
>> the bonus?
>> This manual is real detailed. This is like a learning manual for a
>> class.
>> Ok, lets get on with building the new PC.
>> Oh yeah, newegg.com sent back the motherboard again. This is the second
>> time they've sent it back. This mobo is an S-Series GA-EP35C-DS3R.
>> I'm sticking the SAMSUNG Spinpoint SP1614C SATA hard drive into the
>> Thermaltake tower. This is the totally new PC that everyone wanted to
>> know
>> how it turned out. Well, it's starting again. This time I'm not going to
>> stick everything on it and fire it up. I'm going with the bare essentials
>> and
>> then I can add on after I know it fires up. I've learned a lesson on how
>> to
>> cut corners, the hard way!
>> Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> attilathehun1
>> --
>> attilathehun1



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Old 07-13-2008, 10:16 AM
DL
 
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Re: RAID vs plain SATA?
utter drivel, as usuall

"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message
news:AF228207-B5CF-4DC5-B59D-FC22CE5A8441@microsoft.com...
> Well first you need two SATA hds for RAID,then configure the two.2nd,most
> of the past posts give you an idea that most posts havent a clue as to how
> SATA & RAID performance effects a OS...RAID is about 2X as fast as
> SATA.For
> details,look at the performance graph
> at:http://www.intel.com/performance/des...erformance.htm
>
> "attilathehun1" wrote:
>
>> I'm reading this motherboard manual and it's a very interesting manual.
>> This
>> manual tells alot about how to create a RAID , set SATA RAID/AHCI Mode
>> under
>> Intergrated Peripherals menu to RAID. It's disabled by default. If you
>> don't
>> want to create RAID, set this item to Disabled or AHCI.
>> What is the advantage to create RAID opposed to not creating RAID, what
>> is
>> the bonus?
>> This manual is real detailed. This is like a learning manual for a
>> class.
>> Ok, lets get on with building the new PC.
>> Oh yeah, newegg.com sent back the motherboard again. This is the second
>> time they've sent it back. This mobo is an S-Series GA-EP35C-DS3R.
>> I'm sticking the SAMSUNG Spinpoint SP1614C SATA hard drive into the
>> Thermaltake tower. This is the totally new PC that everyone wanted to
>> know
>> how it turned out. Well, it's starting again. This time I'm not going to
>> stick everything on it and fire it up. I'm going with the bare essentials
>> and
>> then I can add on after I know it fires up. I've learned a lesson on how
>> to
>> cut corners, the hard way!
>> Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> attilathehun1
>> --
>> attilathehun1



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Old 07-13-2008, 10:17 AM
DL
 
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Re: RAID vs plain SATA?
You've posted so many times recently that its hard to work out what the
current status of play is

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9CFF44F3-4958-4BD1-8A31-7F05CF00FE2F@microsoft.com...
> I'm reading this motherboard manual and it's a very interesting manual.
> This
> manual tells alot about how to create a RAID , set SATA RAID/AHCI Mode
> under
> Intergrated Peripherals menu to RAID. It's disabled by default. If you
> don't
> want to create RAID, set this item to Disabled or AHCI.
> What is the advantage to create RAID opposed to not creating RAID, what is
> the bonus?
> This manual is real detailed. This is like a learning manual for a class.
> Ok, lets get on with building the new PC.
> Oh yeah, newegg.com sent back the motherboard again. This is the second
> time they've sent it back. This mobo is an S-Series GA-EP35C-DS3R.
> I'm sticking the SAMSUNG Spinpoint SP1614C SATA hard drive into the
> Thermaltake tower. This is the totally new PC that everyone wanted to know
> how it turned out. Well, it's starting again. This time I'm not going to
> stick everything on it and fire it up. I'm going with the bare essentials
> and
> then I can add on after I know it fires up. I've learned a lesson on how
> to
> cut corners, the hard way!
> Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1



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