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Old 07-17-2008, 07:58 PM
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Intel 4 processor
Currently I have an Intel 4 2.40 GHz processor. Recently I purchased a
simulation whose recommended specs state that the processor should be
"Pentium IV 3.0Ghz ".

Is there a way of changing my processor without too much hassle?

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Old 07-17-2008, 08:01 PM
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Re: Intel 4 processor

"spartan via WindowsKB.com" <u27876@uwe> wrote in message
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> Currently I have an Intel 4 2.40 GHz processor. Recently I purchased a
> simulation whose recommended specs state that the processor should be
> "Pentium IV 3.0Ghz ".
>
> Is there a way of changing my processor without too much hassle?
>


Yeah, you buy a new one, plop it in, and add some heatsink grease. A P4 3
GHz isn't real expensive these days, and you'll need a bit more info before
purchasing.

But, does the simulation work with what you already have? The difference
between 2.4 and 3.0 isn't much in real/perceivable terms.

-John O


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Old 07-17-2008, 09:00 PM
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Re: Intel 4 processor

spartan via WindowsKB.com wrote:

> Currently I have an Intel 4 2.40 GHz processor. Recently I purchased a
> simulation whose recommended specs state that the processor should be
> "Pentium IV 3.0Ghz ".
>
> Is there a way of changing my processor without too much hassle?
>


Let's be more specific about the current Intel 2.4 GHz processor.
Exactly which one is it? That is, "Intel 4" says nothing whereas
"Pentium 4" actually means something.

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Old 07-17-2008, 09:19 PM
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Re: Intel 4 processor
spartan via WindowsKB.com wrote:

> Currently I have an Intel 4 2.40 GHz processor. Recently I purchased a
> simulation whose recommended specs state that the processor should be
> "Pentium IV 3.0Ghz ".
>
> Is there a way of changing my processor without too much hassle?


So how much is "too much hassle"? Is replacing the CPU too much hassle?
If you are considering and have budgeted the cost of a new processor,
have you tried overclocking the processor to see how close you can get?
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Old 07-17-2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: Intel 4 processor
If the OP is "wondering" about what's involved in even changing a processor,
don't you think that suggesting overclocking is not very clever ?
...though I do have to admit that lots of the overclocking forums are
seriously entertaning.

e.g. "CooooH , ...I've overclocked my cpu to ?.?gzh (?.? = ridiculous ghz
figure), ...and it's as stable as a rock :-) ! "

regards, Richard


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> spartan via WindowsKB.com wrote:
>
>> Currently I have an Intel 4 2.40 GHz processor. Recently I purchased a
>> simulation whose recommended specs state that the processor should be
>> "Pentium IV 3.0Ghz ".
>>
>> Is there a way of changing my processor without too much hassle?

>
> So how much is "too much hassle"? Is replacing the CPU too much hassle?
> If you are considering and have budgeted the cost of a new processor,
> have you tried overclocking the processor to see how close you can get?



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Old 07-18-2008, 10:57 AM
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Re: Intel 4 processor
Ghostrider wrote:
>> Currently I have an Intel Pentium 4(my mistake!!) 2.40 GHz processor. Recently I purchased a
>> simulation whose recommended specs state that the processor should be
>> "Pentium IV 3.0Ghz ".
>>
>> Is there a way of changing my processor without too much hassle?

>
>Let's be more specific about the current Intel 2.4 GHz processor.
>Exactly which one is it? That is, "Intel 4" says nothing whereas
>"Pentium 4" actually means something.


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Old 07-18-2008, 11:00 AM
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Re: Intel 4 processor
JohnO,

No, the simulation does not work well at all, despite the built-in diagnostic
tool telling me everything is fine. Thanks for your reply.

JohnO wrote:
>> Currently I have an Intel 4 2.40 GHz processor. Recently I purchased a
>> simulation whose recommended specs state that the processor should be
>> "Pentium IV 3.0Ghz ".
>>
>> Is there a way of changing my processor without too much hassle?

>
>Yeah, you buy a new one, plop it in, and add some heatsink grease. A P4 3
>GHz isn't real expensive these days, and you'll need a bit more info before
>purchasing.
>
>But, does the simulation work with what you already have? The difference
>between 2.4 and 3.0 isn't much in real/perceivable terms.
>
>-John O


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Old 07-18-2008, 01:27 PM
Paul
 
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Re: Intel 4 processor
spartan via WindowsKB.com wrote:
> Ghostrider wrote:
>>> Currently I have an Intel Pentium 4(my mistake!!) 2.40 GHz processor. Recently I purchased a
>>> simulation whose recommended specs state that the processor should be
>>> "Pentium IV 3.0Ghz ".
>>>
>>> Is there a way of changing my processor without too much hassle?

>> Let's be more specific about the current Intel 2.4 GHz processor.
>> Exactly which one is it? That is, "Intel 4" says nothing whereas
>> "Pentium 4" actually means something.

>


At FSB400, the fastest processor made was 2.8GHz. The only way you'd
make 3GHz, is by overclocking (something that few prebuilt computer
BIOSes support).

At FSB533, the fastest processor usable would be 3.06GHz, with
Hyperthreading enabled. That draws a little extra juice compared to
others in that family.

At FSB800, they go up to 3.4GHz or so (for socket S478). I'm assuming
the computer is an older one, based on the fact that it shipped with
a 2.4GHz P4 processor in it.

At FSB800 and socket LGA775, they go higher still. But you aren't
likely to have an LGA775 socket.

You can find more examples here -

http://processorfinder.intel.com

in the Pentium 4 section. Be careful to match the details, as there
are several generations listed, Northwoods and Prescotts, different
sockets and so on.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=483

This outfit has a pricy collection of older processors. They tend
to buy lots of processors, just before they are discontinued, for
later sales to upgraders. For example, this was one of the few places
you could get an FSB400 2.8GHz processor, and now all they have
left at FSB400, is the 2.6GHz ones.

http://www.powerleap.com/Processors.jsp

You can also find processors on other sites, for less money. But
the unscrupulous will try to sell you stuff that isn't appropriate
(such as Xeons, rather than regular P4 processors). When you
learn more about the socket the processor uses, the current
FSB speed, the amount of L2 cache and so on, you could post
back that information for some feedback on a good option
as an upgrade.

For ordinary (DIY) homebuilt computers, an upgrade usually means
popping out the old, and installing the new. On prebuilt computers,
sometimes the higher speed processor is not supported (if, say, it
draws too much power, or is the wrong processor family). In the
case of one Dell for example, when Dell sells an upgrade, they
actually ship a different CPU heatsink with the installation kit.
The heatsink has an extra heatpipe, to improve the theta_R of the
heatsink. So there can be the odd little detail like that, which
can be hard to get information on.

In terms of compatibility, the Prescott (90nm) processors won't work
if installed in older S478 motherboards. A single pin on the Prescott
is designed as a sensor pin, used to detect whether the motherboard
is "Prescott ready" or not. If you install a Prescott in an older
motherboard (usually something previous to 875/865/848 chipsets),
you'll be greeted by a black screen and no boot. No damage is
done when that happens, and the old processor will still work.
Which is why you have to use some care when searching for substitutes.

If the current processor is 0.13 microns technology, then you may be
looking for another 0.13 micron one as an upgrade. (The amount
of L2 cache is a hint at the technology and generation of processor.)
Unfortunately, the abundance of Prescotts may be off-limits to you.
And Northwoods can be harder to find.

Many people have learned this the hard way, by attempting to use
Celeron-D processors (also 90nm, and failing for the same reason).
All due to the processor checking the motherboard, and finding
the motherboard is lacking.

Good luck,
Paul
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:22 PM
JohnO
 
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Re: Intel 4 processor

"spartan via WindowsKB.com" <u27876@uwe> wrote in message
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> JohnO,
>
> No, the simulation does not work well at all, despite the built-in
> diagnostic
> tool telling me everything is fine. Thanks for your reply.



Seems unlikely the CPU is the primary bottleneck for the software. If you
had an older 1.4 Pentium 4, that would be different. Can you check with the
developer of the software?

Otherwise, do you meet or exceed their other stated specs?

For real help here, we need to know which CPU model you have, what
motherboard you have, and maybe the type of RAM...you have to physically
look at that last one. PC3200? Something like that.

-John O



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Old 07-19-2008, 03:20 AM
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Re: Intel 4 processor
RJK wrote:

> "VanguardLH" wrote ...
>
>> spartan wrote:
>>
>>> Currently I have an Intel 4 2.40 GHz processor. Recently I purchased a
>>> simulation whose recommended specs state that the processor should be
>>> "Pentium IV 3.0Ghz ".
>>>
>>> Is there a way of changing my processor without too much hassle?

>>
>> So how much is "too much hassle"? Is replacing the CPU too much hassle?
>> If you are considering and have budgeted the cost of a new processor,
>> have you tried overclocking the processor to see how close you can get?

>
> If the OP is "wondering" about what's involved in even changing a processor,
> don't you think that suggesting overclocking is not very clever ?
> ...though I do have to admit that lots of the overclocking forums are
> seriously entertaning.
>
> e.g. "CooooH , ...I've overclocked my cpu to ?.?gzh (?.? = ridiculous ghz
> figure), ...and it's as stable as a rock :-) ! "


"without too much hassle"
Says nothing about what would be considered too much hassle.
Says nothing regarding the expertise of the user.
Says nothing much at all.

As a matter of fact, it is far easier to overclock a CPU using BIOS or
utilities than having to replace a CPU, especially if you already
budgeted for a newer CPU and don't care about blowing away the old one.
So overclocking might be within the realm of not "too much hassle".
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