Monitor problem

antioch wrote:
> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>antioch wrote:
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>>>"antioch" <antioch@home.com> wrote in message
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>>>>"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>antioch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>XP SP2 - up to date except SP3.
>>>>>>Relisys 19" CRT TE988, monitor just two years old.
>>>>>>GPU -Inno 3D Ge Force 6800GS 256MB DDR3 PCI-E.
>>>>>>I know one or two will roast me for posting here, as I cannot
>>>>>>validate any direct connection between MS and the hardware.
>>>>>>But I have tried to find a suitable forum - no luck - emailed the
>>>>>>retailer and manufacturer - no reply, yet.
>>>>>>A week ago I switched on and immediately noticed a black bar down
>>>>>>the right side with a thin bright white line between that bar and
>>>>>>the desktop. I have used the adjustment options for screen adjustments,
>>>>>>together
>>>>>>with a good screen test card, but I cannot move the screen as a
>>>>>>whole to the right. The widening option does move the right hand
>>>>>>side, but then the left side disappears off screen.
>>>>>>Using the move left or right option makes the right side disappear
>>>>>>behind the black bad.
>>>>>>When using the test card, if I reduce it down, one can clearly see
>>>>>>the a 'frame' type of outline in which all windows appear. The
>>>>>>left side is tight against the left of the screen frame, but there
>>>>>>is this half to three quarter inch gap on the right.
>>>>>>I have not added/removed any software prior to this event nor
>>>>>>changed any drivers etc.
>>>>>>I am just hoping that somebody has had a previous experience or
>>>>>>might be able to direct me to a place, I have yet to find, where I
>>>>>>could get help.
>>>>>>I have considered, after many hours of frustration, to get rid of
>>>>>>the monitor and buy new - I thought I would mention this - some
>>>>>>bright spark no doubt would suggest it :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This line, "... I switched on and immediately noticed a black bar down
>>>>>the right side with a thin bright white line between that bar and the
>>>>>desktop ..." leads me to ask...
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the line there if you do not boot into Windows XP and go into the
>>>>>System BIOS?
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the line there if you boot with something like a bootable *nix CD or
>>>>>Ultimate Boot CD for Windows or some other BartPE type CD -- or even the
>>>>>Windows XP Safe Mode?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If it does not show it in the BIOS, but does in your Windows (but not in
>>>>>safe mode or with another boot CD situation) - it may be the video card
>>>>>driver OR it could be the hardware has gone bad in a very specific way.
>>>>>
>>>>>If it does show in the BIOS and in other boot situations - chances are
>>>>>great that it is hardware related.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Shenan Stanley
>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>--
>>>>>How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>>>>>http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello Shenan
>>>>Now you are asking for a 'leap of faith' into the realms of which I have,
>>>>as yet, not dared to venture or need to go - yet.
>>>>
>>>>I will look into your questions closely and see what I find.
>>>>
>>>>Rgds
>>>>Antioch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Shenan
>>>Further to the above, I have restarted the computer - I do not watch
>>>start-up - I gave up watching paint dry and grass grow when I came out of
>>>therapy some years ago :-)
>>>That black section is there all the way through the start-up sequence :-(
>>>It is not always the same width, but its there - its at its widest in
>>>desktop.
>>>
>>>Rgds
>>>Antioch
>>>
>>>
>>
>>My money is on failing electronics in the monitor control circuitry. You
>>might try fiddling with the monitor buttons, widen and recenter the
>>screen, and possibly change the refresh rate, to make it look better. But
>>I think you have a repair or replace issue there.
>>
>
>
> Hi Bob I
> I am beginning to think along the same lines.
> I did find the 'adjustment' feature to which Cari referred - it was in
> ConPanel/Display/Settings/Advanced/Plug & Play Monitor/GeForce 6800GS.
> However, I could not shift that blank/black bar out of the way - the right
> arrow did not work - left/up/down worked fine.
>
> I will give it a few more days - still waiting for some feedback - what
> would us simple folk do without MS newsgroups - always an instant reply.
> It has been a lifesaver for me over the last five years.
>
> If there is a fix I will certainly update this thread.
>
> Rgds
> Antioch
>

Other than the refresh rate you won't be able to effect the desired
adjustments from within Windows. The monitor knobs will need to be
played with.

> Other than the refresh rate you won't be able to effect the desired
> adjustments from within Windows. The monitor knobs will need to be played
> with.
>


Bob I
Funny you should mention Refresh Rate - was suggested from another quarter -
all that does is give me a smaller paler screen with a blank area running
across the top as well as down the right side.
Despite trying to move any window to the right or up with the Plug and Play
adjustments and hours of fiddling with the monitor buttons, I am afraid
matters have not improved.

Thanks for your input.
Rgds
Antioch

antioch wrote:

>>Other than the refresh rate you won't be able to effect the desired
>>adjustments from within Windows. The monitor knobs will need to be played
>>with.
>>
>
>
>
> Bob I
> Funny you should mention Refresh Rate - was suggested from another quarter -
> all that does is give me a smaller paler screen with a blank area running
> across the top as well as down the right side.
> Despite trying to move any window to the right or up with the Plug and Play
> adjustments and hours of fiddling with the monitor buttons, I am afraid
> matters have not improved.
>
> Thanks for your input.
> Rgds
> Antioch
>
>

If the monitor buttons won't help then it's likely the Horizontal sweep
circuit is failing or gone way out of adjustment. A electronics shop may
be able to replace the failing components. Cost will depend on their
labor rate. Call and ask, it won't cost you any thing to find out what
they will charge.

"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> antioch wrote:
>
>>>Other than the refresh rate you won't be able to effect the desired
>>>adjustments from within Windows. The monitor knobs will need to be played
>>>with.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob I
>> Funny you should mention Refresh Rate - was suggested from another
>> quarter - all that does is give me a smaller paler screen with a blank
>> area running across the top as well as down the right side.
>> Despite trying to move any window to the right or up with the Plug and
>> Play adjustments and hours of fiddling with the monitor buttons, I am
>> afraid matters have not improved.
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
>> Rgds
>> Antioch
>
> If the monitor buttons won't help then it's likely the Horizontal sweep
> circuit is failing or gone way out of adjustment. A electronics shop may
> be able to replace the failing components. Cost will depend on their labor
> rate. Call and ask, it won't cost you any thing to find out what they will
> charge.

As the monitor is a CRT, I am getting a TV man to look at it.

Rgds
Antioch

antioch wrote:

> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>antioch wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Other than the refresh rate you won't be able to effect the desired
>>>>adjustments from within Windows. The monitor knobs will need to be played
>>>>with.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bob I
>>>Funny you should mention Refresh Rate - was suggested from another
>>>quarter - all that does is give me a smaller paler screen with a blank
>>>area running across the top as well as down the right side.
>>>Despite trying to move any window to the right or up with the Plug and
>>>Play adjustments and hours of fiddling with the monitor buttons, I am
>>>afraid matters have not improved.
>>>
>>>Thanks for your input.
>>>Rgds
>>>Antioch
>>
>>If the monitor buttons won't help then it's likely the Horizontal sweep
>>circuit is failing or gone way out of adjustment. A electronics shop may
>>be able to replace the failing components. Cost will depend on their labor
>>rate. Call and ask, it won't cost you any thing to find out what they will
>>charge.
>
>
> As the monitor is a CRT, I am getting a TV man to look at it.
>
> Rgds
> Antioch
>

Ok, around here the "electronics shop" fixes CRT's, TV, video recorders etc.

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antioch wrote:
> As the monitor is a CRT, I am getting a TV man to look at it.

Bob I wrote:
> Ok, around here the "electronics shop" fixes CRT's, TV, video
> recorders etc.

As the cost of fixing it approaches $100, it becomes less and less worth
getting it fixed unless you have some emotional attachment to this CRT
monitor (personally - I would say *even if* you have some attachment to this
monitor.)

Full price, no sales, etc - you can get 19" Widescren LCDs for under $200.
You can sometimes get 22"+ Widescreen LCDs for just over $200. (Less space
consumed, better picture quality for text and many-times, graphics - and
modern LCDs do not have the ghosting issues the older LCDs did with fast
motion.)

If you are just in love with CRTs...
http://www.pricewatch.com/monitors/21in.htm

So - I don't know that getting an older CRT fixed would be worth the
trouble//cost.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> antioch wrote:
>> As the monitor is a CRT, I am getting a TV man to look at it.
>
> Bob I wrote:
>> Ok, around here the "electronics shop" fixes CRT's, TV, video
>> recorders etc.
>
> As the cost of fixing it approaches $100, it becomes less and less worth
> getting it fixed unless you have some emotional attachment to this CRT
> monitor (personally - I would say *even if* you have some attachment to
> this monitor.)
>
> Full price, no sales, etc - you can get 19" Widescren LCDs for under $200.
> You can sometimes get 22"+ Widescreen LCDs for just over $200. (Less
> space consumed, better picture quality for text and many-times, graphics -
> and modern LCDs do not have the ghosting issues the older LCDs did with
> fast motion.)
>
> If you are just in love with CRTs...
> http://www.pricewatch.com/monitors/21in.htm
>
> So - I don't know that getting an older CRT fixed would be worth the
> trouble//cost.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>

Hello Shenan
I would agree with your observations - however this side of the small pond
the prices you quoted are nearly double :-(
When I got this CRT, for the money it produced a better picture than the
equivalent flat screen costing twice as much - but flatties have improved a
lot since then. I am a flight simmer so tend to be a bit fussy re displays.
Plus I have to sell the idea to 'her indoors' or 'she who must be obeyed'.
Getting the TV man to say it cannot be fixed will of course help.

Rgds
Antioch

"antioch" <antioch@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> antioch wrote:
>>> As the monitor is a CRT, I am getting a TV man to look at it.
>>
>> Bob I wrote:
>>> Ok, around here the "electronics shop" fixes CRT's, TV, video
>>> recorders etc.
>>
>> As the cost of fixing it approaches $100, it becomes less and less worth
>> getting it fixed unless you have some emotional attachment to this CRT
>> monitor (personally - I would say *even if* you have some attachment to
>> this monitor.)
>>
>> Full price, no sales, etc - you can get 19" Widescren LCDs for under
>> $200. You can sometimes get 22"+ Widescreen LCDs for just over $200.
>> (Less space consumed, better picture quality for text and many-times,
>> graphics - and modern LCDs do not have the ghosting issues the older LCDs
>> did with fast motion.)
>>
>> If you are just in love with CRTs...
>> http://www.pricewatch.com/monitors/21in.htm
>>
>> So - I don't know that getting an older CRT fixed would be worth the
>> trouble//cost.
>>
>> --
>> Shenan Stanley
>> MS-MVP
>> --
>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>
> Hello Shenan
> I would agree with your observations - however this side of the small pond
> the prices you quoted are nearly double :-(
> When I got this CRT, for the money it produced a better picture than the
> equivalent flat screen costing twice as much - but flatties have improved
> a lot since then. I am a flight simmer so tend to be a bit fussy re
> displays.
> Plus I have to sell the idea to 'her indoors' or 'she who must be obeyed'.
> Getting the TV man to say it cannot be fixed will of course help.
>
> Rgds
> Antioch
>
>

Problem was solved only to return a few days later but on the other side of
the screen - parts needed for permanent fix will cost more than a
replacement - now looking for a suitable 22" TFT.
Thanks to all who helped

Rgds
Antioch