lost ability to defrag

hello,
running windows xp sp2
auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop and
would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows using restore disc
(non- destructive) and went to windows update site and brought pc back up to
current drivers, internet, media player, etc --except for sp3--(still a
little scared till i back up files) everything seems ok xcept for a few
minor bugs with some programs i'll get to, however i now tried to defrag and
i get this message: " mmc cannot open the file C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc.
this may be because the file does not exist, is not an mmc console, or was
created by a later version of mmc. this may also be because you do not have
sufficient access rights to file"

any suggestions? this is a new one for me.
thank you.
pete

you might try doing
a chkdsk, to run upon
reboot.

then you might try
defrag again either
in normal mode or
safemode.

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces

"pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:491ddb0c$0$4884$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> hello,
> running windows xp sp2
> auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop and would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows
> using restore disc (non- destructive) and went to windows update site and brought pc back up to current drivers, internet, media
> player, etc --except for sp3--(still a little scared till i back up files) everything seems ok xcept for a few minor bugs with
> some programs i'll get to, however i now tried to defrag and i get this message: " mmc cannot open the file
> C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc. this may be because the file does not exist, is not an mmc console, or was created by a later
> version of mmc. this may also be because you do not have sufficient access rights to file"
>
> any suggestions? this is a new one for me.
> thank you.
> pete
>

well, no good. ran chkdsk at startup, no problems found. went to defrag and
got same message. any other suggestions??
thanks,
pete
" db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message
news:eefJcDqRJHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> you might try doing
> a chkdsk, to run upon
> reboot.
>
> then you might try
> defrag again either
> in normal mode or
> safemode.
>
> --
>
> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
> - Systems Analyst
> - Database Developer
> - Accountancy
> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>
> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:491ddb0c$0$4884$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> hello,
>> running windows xp sp2
>> auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop and
>> would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows using restore
>> disc (non- destructive) and went to windows update site and brought pc
>> back up to current drivers, internet, media player, etc --except for
>> sp3--(still a little scared till i back up files) everything seems ok
>> xcept for a few minor bugs with some programs i'll get to, however i now
>> tried to defrag and i get this message: " mmc cannot open the file
>> C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc. this may be because the file does not
>> exist, is not an mmc console, or was created by a later version of mmc.
>> this may also be because you do not have sufficient access rights to
>> file"
>>
>> any suggestions? this is a new one for me.
>> thank you.
>> pete
>>
>

the primary hurdle you have
is that you can not utilize your
sp2 cd to replace missing or
corrupt system files on your sp3
installation

--------------

however, here is some
fyi on a similar issue:

http://search.microsoft.com/results....tem32\dfrg.msc

and

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...%20defrag&ac=3

-------------
let us know if you
resolve the issue and
what method proved
useful or if you need
more help.

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces

"pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:491ee842$0$4902$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> well, no good. ran chkdsk at startup, no problems found. went to defrag and got same message. any other suggestions??
> thanks,
> pete
> " db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message news:eefJcDqRJHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> you might try doing
>> a chkdsk, to run upon
>> reboot.
>>
>> then you might try
>> defrag again either
>> in normal mode or
>> safemode.
>>
>> --
>>
>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>> - Systems Analyst
>> - Database Developer
>> - Accountancy
>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>>
>> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:491ddb0c$0$4884$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> hello,
>>> running windows xp sp2
>>> auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop and would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows
>>> using restore disc (non- destructive) and went to windows update site and brought pc back up to current drivers, internet,
>>> media player, etc --except for sp3--(still a little scared till i back up files) everything seems ok xcept for a few minor bugs
>>> with some programs i'll get to, however i now tried to defrag and i get this message: " mmc cannot open the file
>>> C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc. this may be because the file does not exist, is not an mmc console, or was created by a later
>>> version of mmc. this may also be because you do not have sufficient access rights to file"
>>>
>>> any suggestions? this is a new one for me.
>>> thank you.
>>> pete
>>>
>>
>
>

thank you. will read a little this evening. damn sp3!
" db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message
news:%23kffMb1RJHA.5344@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> the primary hurdle you have
> is that you can not utilize your
> sp2 cd to replace missing or
> corrupt system files on your sp3
> installation
>
> --------------
>
> however, here is some
> fyi on a similar issue:
>
> http://search.microsoft.com/results....tem32\dfrg.msc
>
> and
>
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...%20defrag&ac=3
>
> -------------
> let us know if you
> resolve the issue and
> what method proved
> useful or if you need
> more help.
>
> --
>
> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
> - Systems Analyst
> - Database Developer
> - Accountancy
> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>
> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:491ee842$0$4902$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> well, no good. ran chkdsk at startup, no problems found. went to defrag
>> and got same message. any other suggestions??
>> thanks,
>> pete
>> " db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message
>> news:eefJcDqRJHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> you might try doing
>>> a chkdsk, to run upon
>>> reboot.
>>>
>>> then you might try
>>> defrag again either
>>> in normal mode or
>>> safemode.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>>> - Systems Analyst
>>> - Database Developer
>>> - Accountancy
>>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>>>
>>> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>> news:491ddb0c$0$4884$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>> hello,
>>>> running windows xp sp2
>>>> auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop
>>>> and would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows using
>>>> restore disc (non- destructive) and went to windows update site and
>>>> brought pc back up to current drivers, internet, media player,
>>>> etc --except for sp3--(still a little scared till i back up files)
>>>> everything seems ok xcept for a few minor bugs with some programs i'll
>>>> get to, however i now tried to defrag and i get this message: " mmc
>>>> cannot open the file C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc. this may be because
>>>> the file does not exist, is not an mmc console, or was created by a
>>>> later version of mmc. this may also be because you do not have
>>>> sufficient access rights to file"
>>>>
>>>> any suggestions? this is a new one for me.
>>>> thank you.
>>>> pete
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

glad your up n running.

--------------

i don't think you need to amend what you have
already, unless you experience another
problem/issue or you are expanding
your skills.

however, i do recall that
you can also run via mmc:

services.msc
compmgmt.msc
devmgmt.msc


perhaps the above will help
you research the subject even
further.

-----------------

incidentally, you may want to
consider allotting time to
slipstream/build a winxp sp3 cd.

it will come in handy if you
need to do a repair install or
an sfc.


"pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:491f4fec$0$20303$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> ok- i ran mmc.exe and added defrag to the console. my question is --the
> mmc console had no file tree?? is that normal? i added defrag from the
> choices and it works fine after i saved the new mmc file. i did not save
> as- i saved and over wrote the existing because the damn thing was
> basically blank. should i run mmc again and add the rest of the selections
> that are available? should the tree be full?
> thanks for the directions so far.
> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:491f3455$0$20306$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> thank you. will read a little this evening. damn sp3!
>> " db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message
>> news:%23kffMb1RJHA.5344@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> the primary hurdle you have
>>> is that you can not utilize your
>>> sp2 cd to replace missing or
>>> corrupt system files on your sp3
>>> installation
>>>
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> however, here is some
>>> fyi on a similar issue:
>>>
>>> http://search.microsoft.com/results....tem32\dfrg.msc
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...%20defrag&ac=3
>>>
>>> -------------
>>> let us know if you
>>> resolve the issue and
>>> what method proved
>>> useful or if you need
>>> more help.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>>> - Systems Analyst
>>> - Database Developer
>>> - Accountancy
>>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>>>
>>> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>> news:491ee842$0$4902$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>> well, no good. ran chkdsk at startup, no problems found. went to defrag
>>>> and got same message. any other suggestions??
>>>> thanks,
>>>> pete
>>>> " db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message
>>>> news:eefJcDqRJHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> you might try doing
>>>>> a chkdsk, to run upon
>>>>> reboot.
>>>>>
>>>>> then you might try
>>>>> defrag again either
>>>>> in normal mode or
>>>>> safemode.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>>>>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>>>>> - Systems Analyst
>>>>> - Database Developer
>>>>> - Accountancy
>>>>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>>>>>
>>>>> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:491ddb0c$0$4884$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>> hello,
>>>>>> running windows xp sp2
>>>>>> auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop
>>>>>> and would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows using
>>>>>> restore disc (non- destructive) and went to windows update site and
>>>>>> brought pc back up to current drivers, internet, media player,
>>>>>> etc --except for sp3--(still a little scared till i back up files)
>>>>>> everything seems ok xcept for a few minor bugs with some programs
>>>>>> i'll get to, however i now tried to defrag and i get this message: "
>>>>>> mmc cannot open the file C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc. this may be
>>>>>> because the file does not exist, is not an mmc console, or was
>>>>>> created by a later version of mmc. this may also be because you do
>>>>>> not have sufficient access rights to file"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any suggestions? this is a new one for me.
>>>>>> thank you.
>>>>>> pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

ok- i ran mmc.exe and added defrag to the console. my question is --the mmc
console had no file tree?? is that normal? i added defrag from the choices
and it works fine after i saved the new mmc file. i did not save as- i saved
and over wrote the existing because the damn thing was basically blank.
should i run mmc again and add the rest of the selections that are
available? should the tree be full?
thanks for the directions so far.
"pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:491f3455$0$20306$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> thank you. will read a little this evening. damn sp3!
> " db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message
> news:%23kffMb1RJHA.5344@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> the primary hurdle you have
>> is that you can not utilize your
>> sp2 cd to replace missing or
>> corrupt system files on your sp3
>> installation
>>
>> --------------
>>
>> however, here is some
>> fyi on a similar issue:
>>
>> http://search.microsoft.com/results....tem32\dfrg.msc
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...%20defrag&ac=3
>>
>> -------------
>> let us know if you
>> resolve the issue and
>> what method proved
>> useful or if you need
>> more help.
>>
>> --
>>
>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>> - Systems Analyst
>> - Database Developer
>> - Accountancy
>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>>
>> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:491ee842$0$4902$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> well, no good. ran chkdsk at startup, no problems found. went to defrag
>>> and got same message. any other suggestions??
>>> thanks,
>>> pete
>>> " db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message
>>> news:eefJcDqRJHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> you might try doing
>>>> a chkdsk, to run upon
>>>> reboot.
>>>>
>>>> then you might try
>>>> defrag again either
>>>> in normal mode or
>>>> safemode.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>>>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>>>> - Systems Analyst
>>>> - Database Developer
>>>> - Accountancy
>>>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>>>>
>>>> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:491ddb0c$0$4884$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>> hello,
>>>>> running windows xp sp2
>>>>> auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop
>>>>> and would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows using
>>>>> restore disc (non- destructive) and went to windows update site and
>>>>> brought pc back up to current drivers, internet, media player,
>>>>> etc --except for sp3--(still a little scared till i back up files)
>>>>> everything seems ok xcept for a few minor bugs with some programs i'll
>>>>> get to, however i now tried to defrag and i get this message: " mmc
>>>>> cannot open the file C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc. this may be because
>>>>> the file does not exist, is not an mmc console, or was created by a
>>>>> later version of mmc. this may also be because you do not have
>>>>> sufficient access rights to file"
>>>>>
>>>>> any suggestions? this is a new one for me.
>>>>> thank you.
>>>>> pete
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

found another path to defrag : start- administrative tools-computer
management.
thanks for your help- yeah i'm gonna leave things as they are for now,
moving on to getting all my napster music tracks back next!
thanks again,
pete

" db ·´¯`·.¸. .><)))º>." <db@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:uO5IAq3RJHA.4084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> glad your up n running.
>
> --------------
>
> i don't think you need to amend what you have
> already, unless you experience another
> problem/issue or you are expanding
> your skills.
>
> however, i do recall that
> you can also run via mmc:
>
> services.msc
> compmgmt.msc
> devmgmt.msc
>
>
> perhaps the above will help
> you research the subject even
> further.
>
> -----------------
>
> incidentally, you may want to
> consider allotting time to
> slipstream/build a winxp sp3 cd.
>
> it will come in handy if you
> need to do a repair install or
> an sfc.
>
>
> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:491f4fec$0$20303$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> ok- i ran mmc.exe and added defrag to the console. my question is --the
>> mmc console had no file tree?? is that normal? i added defrag from the
>> choices and it works fine after i saved the new mmc file. i did not save
>> as- i saved and over wrote the existing because the damn thing was
>> basically blank. should i run mmc again and add the rest of the
>> selections that are available? should the tree be full?
>> thanks for the directions so far.
>> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:491f3455$0$20306$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> thank you. will read a little this evening. damn sp3!
>>> " db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message
>>> news:%23kffMb1RJHA.5344@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> the primary hurdle you have
>>>> is that you can not utilize your
>>>> sp2 cd to replace missing or
>>>> corrupt system files on your sp3
>>>> installation
>>>>
>>>> --------------
>>>>
>>>> however, here is some
>>>> fyi on a similar issue:
>>>>
>>>> http://search.microsoft.com/results....tem32\dfrg.msc
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...%20defrag&ac=3
>>>>
>>>> -------------
>>>> let us know if you
>>>> resolve the issue and
>>>> what method proved
>>>> useful or if you need
>>>> more help.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>>>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>>>> - Systems Analyst
>>>> - Database Developer
>>>> - Accountancy
>>>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>>>>
>>>> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:491ee842$0$4902$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>> well, no good. ran chkdsk at startup, no problems found. went to
>>>>> defrag and got same message. any other suggestions??
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> pete
>>>>> " db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben at hotmail> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eefJcDqRJHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> you might try doing
>>>>>> a chkdsk, to run upon
>>>>>> reboot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then you might try
>>>>>> defrag again either
>>>>>> in normal mode or
>>>>>> safemode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>>>>>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>>>>>> - Systems Analyst
>>>>>> - Database Developer
>>>>>> - Accountancy
>>>>>> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:491ddb0c$0$4884$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>>> hello,
>>>>>>> running windows xp sp2
>>>>>>> auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop
>>>>>>> and would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows using
>>>>>>> restore disc (non- destructive) and went to windows update site and
>>>>>>> brought pc back up to current drivers, internet, media player,
>>>>>>> etc --except for sp3--(still a little scared till i back up files)
>>>>>>> everything seems ok xcept for a few minor bugs with some programs
>>>>>>> i'll get to, however i now tried to defrag and i get this message: "
>>>>>>> mmc cannot open the file C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc. this may be
>>>>>>> because the file does not exist, is not an mmc console, or was
>>>>>>> created by a later version of mmc. this may also be because you do
>>>>>>> not have sufficient access rights to file"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> any suggestions? this is a new one for me.
>>>>>>> thank you.
>>>>>>> pete
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:08:44 -0500, "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote:

>hello,
>running windows xp sp2
>auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop and
>would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows using restore disc
>(non- destructive) and went to windows update site and brought pc back up to
>current drivers, internet, media player, etc --except for sp3--(still a
>little scared till i back up files) everything seems ok xcept for a few
>minor bugs with some programs i'll get to, however i now tried to defragand
>i get this message: " mmc cannot open the file C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc.
>this may be because the file does not exist, is not an mmc console, or was
>created by a later version of mmc. this may also be because you do not have
>sufficient access rights to file"
>
I'm glad you got your defrag back. If you have a DVD writer it should
be helpful to create a slipstreamed SP3 disk from your SP2 disk so
that you have SP3 in bootable form or run the system file checker
from. Slipstreaming is easy now that some good DIY tools are around.
Check this out
http://lifehacker.com/386526/slipstr...nstallation-cd

I used Nlite to slipstream my SP1 and SP2 disks (two systems) to SP3
quite easily in a couple of hours.
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England

robin-
what does the slipstreaming do?

"Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:rna1i4df5fthktc1o7hd2c7lli9l425rp4@4ax.com...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:08:44 -0500, "pmg" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote:

>hello,
>running windows xp sp2
>auto updates loaded sp3 and after restart system was stuck in loop and
>would not get past logo at startup. reinstalled windows using restore disc
>(non- destructive) and went to windows update site and brought pc back up
>to
>current drivers, internet, media player, etc --except for sp3--(still a
>little scared till i back up files) everything seems ok xcept for a few
>minor bugs with some programs i'll get to, however i now tried to defrag
>and
>i get this message: " mmc cannot open the file
>C:\windows\system32\dfrg.msc.
>this may be because the file does not exist, is not an mmc console, or was
>created by a later version of mmc. this may also be because you do not have
>sufficient access rights to file"
>
I'm glad you got your defrag back. If you have a DVD writer it should
be helpful to create a slipstreamed SP3 disk from your SP2 disk so
that you have SP3 in bootable form or run the system file checker
from. Slipstreaming is easy now that some good DIY tools are around.
Check this out
http://lifehacker.com/386526/slipstr...nstallation-cd

I used Nlite to slipstream my SP1 and SP2 disks (two systems) to SP3
quite easily in a couple of hours.
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England