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Old 01-17-2008, 02:17 AM
jim
 
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Re: XP folder sharing hell......

"Jeepers Creepers" <johnpaul_greenremove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JimTheAverage" <ljhubbardjr@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:74d6fbee-1e17-4ebb-8b1e-2e3c19334f27@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>I have 3 XP Pro PCs. No server. All in same workgroup.
>>
>> PC1 can see all shared folders on PC2 but cannot access any of them.
>> I always get "PC1\foldername is not accessible. You might not have
>> permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
>> this server to find out if you have access permissions."
>>
>> PC2 can access folders on PC1.
>>
>> PC3 has the same problems with PC2 as PC1.
>>
>> PC2 can access some of the shared folders on PC1.
>>
>> I have tried installing ALL of the available clients, services and
>> protocols for the ethernet adapter on all PCs. I have tried turning
>> off the Windows (and Eset) firewalls.
>>
>> I have tried just about everything I know to share folders on PC2 to
>> no avail.
>>
>> Anybody have any ideas?

>
> Last time I had similar problems, it was due to services being disabled /
> not running. Go start > run > services.msc and check for disabled items. I
> believe it was 'network DDE' that I started and things started working...
>
> Worth a try.
>
> -Jeepers


Just an update.....I found the culprit. I don't know why or how it created
this nightmare yet - but I have fired off a note to the publishers to try
and get an answer.

The application that completely screwed my networking up was Eset's NOD32
Antivirus and Smart Security Suite. Once removed from all PCs, the network
works like a charm.

This is not the first bad run-in I've had with Eset's NOD32 and Smart
Security. On several occassions I have seen Eset's software break
applications by blocking them from running with absolutely NO warning or
indication that it had done anything at all. On other occassions I have
seen NOD32 toss up red threat screens to customers only to see that there
was no "clean" or "quarantine" buttons at all and nothing on the blaring red
threat screen said that NOD32 knew what to do or was going to take any
action at all. All you could do was close the threat screen and wonder if
you were protected.

It's sad really. NOD32 used to do one thing - kill viruses - and it did it
well. With all of the crap they are cramming into NOD32, they have created
a monster of a headache to deal with. And, no documentation of any
consequence comes with the product.

When an application blocks something or cleans something or quarantines
something, wouldn't it be great of it told you what it did? Eset's
applications don't. they keep you guessing and wasting valuable time and
resources trying to find problems that appear to be network or application
related - NOT security related.

Now, whenever I see ANY problem on a PC with Eset's products installed, my
first course of action will be to uninstall Eset's software before I change
a single setting.

Thanks for all of the suggestions and watch yourself arounf Eset's NOD32 and
"Smart Security".

jim


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Old 01-17-2008, 02:22 AM
jim
 
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Re: XP folder sharing hell......

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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> JimTheAverage wrote:
>> I have 3 XP Pro PCs. No server. All in same workgroup.
>>
>> PC1 can see all shared folders on PC2 but cannot access any of them.
>> I always get "PC1\foldername is not accessible. You might not have
>> permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
>> this server to find out if you have access permissions."
>>
>> PC2 can access folders on PC1.
>>
>> PC3 has the same problems with PC2 as PC1.
>>
>> PC2 can access some of the shared folders on PC1.
>>
>> I have tried installing ALL of the available clients, services and
>> protocols for the ethernet adapter on all PCs. I have tried turning
>> off the Windows (and Eset) firewalls.
>>
>> I have tried just about everything I know to share folders on PC2 to
>> no avail.
>>
>> Anybody have any ideas?

>
> 1- For starters *don't* use 2 firewalls! It will not provide you with
> additional security and it will or may cause nothing but trouble when you
> try to setup your network. Decide which firewall you prefer to use and
> use one firewall only.
>
> 2- While you setup and troubleshoot your network completely disable the
> firewall, at least until you get things sorted out. You can re enable the
> firewall after you fix your network, keep this extra avenue of trouble out
> of the picture until you get the network setup properly, you can enable it
> after you're done. For security reasons, while the firewall is disabled
> you may want to disconnect the cable to the internet or other outside
> networks.
>
> 3- Make sure that there are no duplicate computer names on the network.
> Make sure that the machines are all in the same workgroup.
>
> 4- For most networks you usually only need one common transport protocol
> and one network client. Additional transport protocols or clients only
> bring in extra complications into your network configuration. Additional
> unneeded transport protocols may result in network collisions and slow
> down your network. Remove all protocols except for the TCP/IP protocol,
> in modern networks that is usually the only protocol needed. Remove all
> network clients except for the Client for Microsoft Networks.
>
> 5- Install/enable File and Printer Sharing.
>
> 6- Windows XP Pro machines will not allow access to their resources
> without proper user credentials and authentication. The unsafe method of
> getting around that is to enable the Guest account. A safer method is to
> create users with identical names and identical passwords on the machines
> that you want to share resources.
>
> 7- If you have done all of the above and are still getting access denied
> messages verify the NTFS permissions on the shares.
>
> John


Just an update.....I found the culprit. I don't know why or how it created
this nightmare yet - but I have fired off a note to the publishers to try
and get an answer.

The application that completely screwed my networking up was Eset's NOD32
Antivirus and Smart Security Suite. Once removed from all PCs, the network
works like a charm.

This is not the first bad run-in I've had with Eset's NOD32 and Smart
Security. On several occassions I have seen Eset's software break
applications by blocking them from running with absolutely NO warning or
indication that it had done anything at all. On other occassions I have
seen NOD32 toss up red threat screens to customers only to see that there
was no "clean" or "quarantine" buttons at all and nothing on the blaring red
threat screen said that NOD32 knew what to do or was going to take any
action at all. All you could do was close the threat screen and wonder if
you were protected.

It's sad really. NOD32 used to do one thing - kill viruses - and it did it
well. With all of the crap they are cramming into NOD32, they have created
a monster of a headache to deal with. And, no documentation of any
consequence comes with the product.

When an application blocks something or cleans something or quarantines
something, wouldn't it be great of it told you what it did? Eset's
applications don't. They keep you guessing and wasting valuable time and
resources trying to find problems that appear to be network or application
related - NOT security related.

Now, whenever I see ANY problem on a PC with Eset's products installed, my
first course of action will be to uninstall Eset's software before I change
a single setting.

Thanks for all of the suggestions and watch yourself around Eset's NOD32 and
"Smart Security".

jim



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Old 01-17-2008, 02:22 AM
jim
 
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Re: XP folder sharing hell......

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
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> JimTheAverage wrote:
>> I have 3 XP Pro PCs. No server. All in same workgroup.
>>
>> PC1 can see all shared folders on PC2 but cannot access any of them.
>> I always get "PC1\foldername is not accessible. You might not have
>> permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
>> this server to find out if you have access permissions."
>>
>> PC2 can access folders on PC1.
>>
>> PC3 has the same problems with PC2 as PC1.
>>
>> PC2 can access some of the shared folders on PC1.
>>
>> I have tried installing ALL of the available clients, services and
>> protocols for the ethernet adapter on all PCs. I have tried turning
>> off the Windows (and Eset) firewalls.
>>
>> I have tried just about everything I know to share folders on PC2 to
>> no avail.
>>
>> Anybody have any ideas?

>
>
> On each WinXP PC, create local user account(s), with non-blank
> password(s), that have the desired access privileges to the desired
> shares. Log on to the other PCs using those account(s), and you will be
> able to access the designated shares, provided your network is configured
> properly. Also, make sure that WinXP's built-in firewall is disabled on
> the internal LAN connection.
>
> Usually, WinXP's Networking Wizard makes it simple and painless --
> almost entirely automatic, in fact. There's a lot of useful,
> easy-to-follow information in WinXP's Help & Support files, and here:
>
> Home Networking
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h...et/default.asp
>
> Networking Information
> http://www.onecomputerguy.com/networking.htm
>
> PracticallyNetworked Home
> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/index.htm
>
> Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
> http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
> Russell
>
> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
> killed a great many philosophers.
> ~ Denis Diderot


Just an update.....I found the culprit. I don't know why or how it created
this nightmare yet - but I have fired off a note to the publishers to try
and get an answer.

The application that completely screwed my networking up was Eset's NOD32
Antivirus and Smart Security Suite. Once removed from all PCs, the network
works like a charm.

This is not the first bad run-in I've had with Eset's NOD32 and Smart
Security. On several occassions I have seen Eset's software break
applications by blocking them from running with absolutely NO warning or
indication that it had done anything at all. On other occassions I have
seen NOD32 toss up red threat screens to customers only to see that there
was no "clean" or "quarantine" buttons at all and nothing on the blaring red
threat screen said that NOD32 knew what to do or was going to take any
action at all. All you could do was close the threat screen and wonder if
you were protected.

It's sad really. NOD32 used to do one thing - kill viruses - and it did it
well. With all of the crap they are cramming into NOD32, they have created
a monster of a headache to deal with. And, no documentation of any
consequence comes with the product.

When an application blocks something or cleans something or quarantines
something, wouldn't it be great of it told you what it did? Eset's
applications don't. They keep you guessing and wasting valuable time and
resources trying to find problems that appear to be network or application
related - NOT security related.

Now, whenever I see ANY problem on a PC with Eset's products installed, my
first course of action will be to uninstall Eset's software before I change
a single setting.

Thanks for all of the suggestions and watch yourself around Eset's NOD32 and
"Smart Security".

jim


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Old 01-17-2008, 02:34 AM
John John
 
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Re: XP folder sharing hell......
jim wrote:

> Just an update.....I found the culprit. I don't know why or how it created
> this nightmare yet - but I have fired off a note to the publishers to try
> and get an answer.
>
> The application that completely screwed my networking up was Eset's NOD32
> Antivirus and Smart Security Suite. Once removed from all PCs, the network
> works like a charm.


Thanks for letting us know how you fixed it, follow up replies with the
solutions that worked help others when they search for help with the
same problems.

John
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Old 01-17-2008, 02:56 AM
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"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote:

>On other occassions I have
>seen NOD32 toss up red threat screens to customers only to see that there
>was no "clean" or "quarantine" buttons at all and nothing on the blaring red
>threat screen said that NOD32 knew what to do or was going to take any
>action at all.


One time I was given a choice to suspend NOD32 for 10 minutes ( along
with clean and quarantine); that's handy if you actually wish to
download a virus or check one out. I don't get that option anymore.

Other than that, I haven't had a problem with NOD32 at all, never
tried the security suite.


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Old 01-17-2008, 03:53 AM
jim
 
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Re: XP folder sharing hell......

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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> jim wrote:
>
>> Just an update.....I found the culprit. I don't know why or how it
>> created
>> this nightmare yet - but I have fired off a note to the publishers to try
>> and get an answer.
>>
>> The application that completely screwed my networking up was Eset's NOD32
>> Antivirus and Smart Security Suite. Once removed from all PCs, the
>> network
>> works like a charm.

>
> Thanks for letting us know how you fixed it, follow up replies with the
> solutions that worked help others when they search for help with the same
> problems.


To test out my theory fully, I re-installed only the NOD32 antivirus,
version 2.7, (not the Smart Security suite) on 2 of the PCs. I then ran the
NOD32 updates.

Again, I could not get to PC2's shared folders from PC1 - this with
absolutely NO change on PC2 other than installing version 2.7 of NOD32
antivirus. And, I could not get to a folder shared from my My Documents
folder on PC1 - even though Share Permissions shows that Everyone has
permission to Change or Read items in the folder.

The folders on PC2 are shared from a 2nd hard drive and are not a part of
any system or special use folders (like My Documents). I even disabled
simple file sharing and gave Everyone Full Control under both Sharing and
Security for several folders on PC2 and I still could not access the folders
from PC1. Absolutely incredible!

Well, I guess you won't be spreading any viruses on a network that you can't
browse, will you?

If they work with me to actually fix these issues (whether through training
me or fixing what I percieve as a seriously flawed product) I will post the
solutions here.

I am uninstalling NOD32 completely and putting on a trial version of AVG
until I figure this out.

Thanks again to all who posted.

jim


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Old 01-17-2008, 05:25 AM
jim
 
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"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
> news:u1U5q6KWIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> JimTheAverage wrote:
>>> I have 3 XP Pro PCs. No server. All in same workgroup.
>>>
>>> PC1 can see all shared folders on PC2 but cannot access any of them.
>>> I always get "PC1\foldername is not accessible. You might not have
>>> permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
>>> this server to find out if you have access permissions."
>>>
>>> PC2 can access folders on PC1.
>>>
>>> PC3 has the same problems with PC2 as PC1.
>>>
>>> PC2 can access some of the shared folders on PC1.
>>>
>>> I have tried installing ALL of the available clients, services and
>>> protocols for the ethernet adapter on all PCs. I have tried turning
>>> off the Windows (and Eset) firewalls.
>>>
>>> I have tried just about everything I know to share folders on PC2 to
>>> no avail.
>>>
>>> Anybody have any ideas?

>>
>>
>> On each WinXP PC, create local user account(s), with non-blank
>> password(s), that have the desired access privileges to the desired
>> shares. Log on to the other PCs using those account(s), and you will be
>> able to access the designated shares, provided your network is configured
>> properly. Also, make sure that WinXP's built-in firewall is disabled on
>> the internal LAN connection.
>>
>> Usually, WinXP's Networking Wizard makes it simple and painless --
>> almost entirely automatic, in fact. There's a lot of useful,
>> easy-to-follow information in WinXP's Help & Support files, and here:
>>
>> Home Networking
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h...et/default.asp
>>
>> Networking Information
>> http://www.onecomputerguy.com/networking.htm
>>
>> PracticallyNetworked Home
>> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/index.htm
>>
>> Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
>> http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bruce Chambers
>>
>> Help us help you:
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>>
>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>
>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>> Russell
>>
>> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
>> killed a great many philosophers.
>> ~ Denis Diderot

>
> Just an update.....I found the culprit. I don't know why or how it
> created
> this nightmare yet - but I have fired off a note to the publishers to try
> and get an answer.
>
> The application that completely screwed my networking up was Eset's NOD32
> Antivirus and Smart Security Suite. Once removed from all PCs, the
> network
> works like a charm.
>
> This is not the first bad run-in I've had with Eset's NOD32 and Smart
> Security. On several occassions I have seen Eset's software break
> applications by blocking them from running with absolutely NO warning or
> indication that it had done anything at all. On other occassions I have
> seen NOD32 toss up red threat screens to customers only to see that there
> was no "clean" or "quarantine" buttons at all and nothing on the blaring
> red
> threat screen said that NOD32 knew what to do or was going to take any
> action at all. All you could do was close the threat screen and wonder if
> you were protected.
>
> It's sad really. NOD32 used to do one thing - kill viruses - and it did
> it
> well. With all of the crap they are cramming into NOD32, they have
> created
> a monster of a headache to deal with. And, no documentation of any
> consequence comes with the product.
>
> When an application blocks something or cleans something or quarantines
> something, wouldn't it be great of it told you what it did? Eset's
> applications don't. They keep you guessing and wasting valuable time and
> resources trying to find problems that appear to be network or application
> related - NOT security related.
>
> Now, whenever I see ANY problem on a PC with Eset's products installed, my
> first course of action will be to uninstall Eset's software before I
> change
> a single setting.
>
> Thanks for all of the suggestions and watch yourself around Eset's NOD32
> and
> "Smart Security".


Although I have been having issues other places with NOD32, that does NOT,
now, seem to be the root source of the problem here.

I have exactly the same problem after installing AVG Antivirus. I do not
believe that NOD32 and AVG are likely to have exactly the same flaw
(although it is not outside th realm of possibility).

When I uninstall AVG, all is shared. If I install it...shares are blocked
again.

As much as I hate, hate, HATE it.....it looks like I may need to re-install
XP on PC2 to see if I can isolate the problem.

Just damn......like I have time for this.......

jim


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Old 01-17-2008, 11:46 AM
Mr. Arnold
 
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"JimTheAverage" <ljhubbardjr@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have 3 XP Pro PCs. No server. All in same workgroup.
>
> PC1 can see all shared folders on PC2 but cannot access any of them.
> I always get "PC1\foldername is not accessible. You might not have
> permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
> this server to find out if you have access permissions."
>
> PC2 can access folders on PC1.
>
> PC3 has the same problems with PC2 as PC1.
>
> PC2 can access some of the shared folders on PC1.
>
> I have tried installing ALL of the available clients, services and
> protocols for the ethernet adapter on all PCs. I have tried turning
> off the Windows (and Eset) firewalls.
>
> I have tried just about everything I know to share folders on PC2 to
> no avail.
>
> Anybody have any ideas?



What it usually means is that you have user permission issues on the share
itself. It could be that the Everyone group account has no permissions on
the share, while all other user accounts have permissions on the share. The
Everyone group account will supersedes all other accounts and their
permissions, as an example.

You can only see the share permissions for accounts on the share be
disabling Simple File Sharing on XP Pro.

You should take note in the link about the Authenticated User group on
shares and remove the Everyone account off of the share.

http://labmice.techtarget.com/articl...ychecklist.htm

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jim "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:

>
> "John Holmes" <nospam.13inch@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> JS "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>>
>>>
>>> "JimTheAverage" <ljhubbardjr@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:74d6fbee-1e17-4ebb-8b1e-2e3c19334f27

>> @s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>I have 3 XP Pro PCs. No server. All in same workgroup.
>>>>
>>>> PC1 can see all shared folders on PC2 but cannot access any of
>>>> them. I always get "PC1\foldername is not accessible. You might
>>>> not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the
>>>> administrator of this server to find out if you have access
>>>> permissions."
>>>>
>>>> PC2 can access folders on PC1.
>>>>
>>>> PC3 has the same problems with PC2 as PC1.
>>>>
>>>> PC2 can access some of the shared folders on PC1.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried installing ALL of the available clients, services and
>>>> protocols for the ethernet adapter on all PCs. I have tried
>>>> turning off the Windows (and Eset) firewalls.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried just about everything I know to share folders on PC2
>>>> to no avail.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have any ideas?

>>
>> <top-poasting corrected>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Check to see if the 'Server' service is running.
>>>
>>> JS

>>
>> Yet another clueless fool responds. why? already came up with the
>> correct answer.

>
> Shows how much you know....none of the answers thus far have solved
> the problem.
>
> jim
>
>
>


That might be because you failed to mention the existence of the security
programs you have running in your OP.

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Old 01-17-2008, 06:38 PM
jim
 
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"Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JimTheAverage" <ljhubbardjr@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>I have 3 XP Pro PCs. No server. All in same workgroup.
>>
>> PC1 can see all shared folders on PC2 but cannot access any of them.
>> I always get "PC1\foldername is not accessible. You might not have
>> permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
>> this server to find out if you have access permissions."
>>
>> PC2 can access folders on PC1.
>>
>> PC3 has the same problems with PC2 as PC1.
>>
>> PC2 can access some of the shared folders on PC1.
>>
>> I have tried installing ALL of the available clients, services and
>> protocols for the ethernet adapter on all PCs. I have tried turning
>> off the Windows (and Eset) firewalls.
>>
>> I have tried just about everything I know to share folders on PC2 to
>> no avail.
>>
>> Anybody have any ideas?

>
>
> What it usually means is that you have user permission issues on the share
> itself. It could be that the Everyone group account has no permissions on
> the share, while all other user accounts have permissions on the share.
> The Everyone group account will supersedes all other accounts and their
> permissions, as an example.
>
> You can only see the share permissions for accounts on the share be
> disabling Simple File Sharing on XP Pro.
>
> You should take note in the link about the Authenticated User group on
> shares and remove the Everyone account off of the share.
>
> http://labmice.techtarget.com/articl...ychecklist.htm


I did disable Simple File Sharing. It showed that Everyone had full control
in the Sharing as well as Security tabs - as I wanted it.

But, if I remove Everyone from the shares, I will have to log in to the
shares. Something that should be unneccessary. That's the whole reason for
the Everyone account.

jim


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